01-22-2021, 09:58 PM
(01-22-2021, 09:42 PM)hollodero Wrote: I have to say, Madonna and Kathy Whateverhername are not really proof of anything but that they are, well, two strange characters. Many tried to make them emblematic of a significant portion of the left, but maybe they just aren't. I think they aren't, and their stunts aren't that important.
I don't put much credence in celebrities doing anything. I was pointing out that calls for violence are hardly confined to the far right.
Quote:I also feel it's a little simplified to regard Portland protests/riots as merely a leftists/liberals protesting conservatives/Trump issue. I'd rather believe it's about issues that are not automatically regarded solved for good just because Trump lost. This, of course, is not meant as a defense, but I just think your proof for certain leftist riots in case of a Trump win is a bit thin.
I clearly see that it might have happened, sure. But as a wise man recently said: There's a huge difference between might be and definitely.
I don't fully disagree, but here's the issue. Riots involving left wing protestors and causes were given insane amounts of leeway during the past nine or so months. Doing so emboldened those so inclined to believe they could act with impunity, because they largely did. DA's refused to file charges for criminal acts, mayors called off the police, and the media downplayed, glossed over or flat out excused the criminal conduct. To me there is zero doubt there would have been significant left wing violence on election night if Trump had won. I've said before, I dig you and I enjoy your perspective on things, but I think you're too far removed from this to have an accurate picture of it.
I do agree with you on Antifa though, they aren't just protesting Trump. They're a bunch of shithead middle class kids larping as Bolsheviks, their issue is also with the US and capitalism in general. But that doesn't change my opinion on what would have happened if Trump had won.
