Opinion: DeSantis 2024?

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(03-22-2023, 06:54 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Catholicism is a Christian religion.

Well, #1 people were pretty upset about JFK being Catholic and I can tell you as a Catholic, we don't always "count" as Christian.  And #2 I was using him as a timeframe reference more so than him personally.  Between 1960 and 2008, I meant.  Plus, he and Obama weren't southern democrats like Carter and Clinton.

(03-22-2023, 07:43 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Your view towards the welfare system/social safety net are a direct result of the propaganda war waged by the corporate elites to convince the workers to vote against their own self-interests. They want you to let them keep their power and crush any entrepreneurial spirit, and dismantling the social safety net that was erected by the progressive politicians in the first half of the twentieth century is doing just that.

I hear that sort of take from people my age and older who were union democrats who turned republican during the Regan era because democrats are the party of giving the wages of the workers to lazy people.  The Reagan welfare queen trope has worked like a charm for 40+ years.  Hell, conservatives have done so well at convincing working class people to vote against their own interests that you can still work in this country and be poor enough to need a handout.  Being lazy isn't even a requirement to be a drain on society.

As I've said, Reagan had it all figured out.  Vote for me and I'll make this economy thrive!  Oh, I'd also like to point out that if you are poor it's because you're lazy and you choose to be poor.  Hedge those bets. 

So yeah, it's a bit hard for the democrats to shake off a reputation that they got because people listened to right-wing rhetoric designed to curry low-income votes for the elites.  This isn't a reputation that was earned via logic, so you can't logic people out of it.  Plus, working class conservatives don't see corporate welfare or endless tax cuts for the ultra wealthy as handouts, so what's the point?