The Ja'Marr Chase Thread

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(08-11-2021, 07:35 PM)SadFaceBengal15 Wrote: I look at the bengals track history of evaluating offensive lineman and I worry when they go against the grain and grab a guy like Carman in the second when he’s got a 4th round grade.  Couple that with out of shape for whatever reason maybe a injury is still reason to stay away the bengals were and are not in a position to grab a guy and develop him over time this oline needs help desperately now... and drafting chase first and then Carman in the second doesn’t help the oline at all right now.  Yes bringing in Reiff was helpful but mainly cuz he replaced a back up tackle who was starting here.  Reiff is on the wrong side of 30 hasn’t played at a high level for a year or so not saying he’s bad cuz sadly he’s the best tackle we have but Riley Reiff isn’t worrying a single defensive end that looks at us on the schedule.  I like the resigning of Spain and I’m hopeful that he’s as good as he says he’s gonna be this year but regardless he still comes from that horrific oline last year.  Everyone of our olineman comes with a big question mark.  I don’t want familiar faces on the oline other than Jonah we need new good veteran blood and this line has question marks up n down the line still after an offseason to make it better for your dead franchise qb.  The bengals have done a horrible job this offseason attacking the offensive line and now u have a 4th rounder challenging Carman for snaps.....at the back up position.  Not starting snaps but back up snaps...yippie.  Now if there was good news coming out of camp about Carman then a 4th rounder pressing him for snaps could be a good thing however Carman has looked terrible which is why the 4th rounder who’s had a few good reps here n there is challenging him.  It’s pretty dubious across the board man.   God bless burrow this year good lord

All I can say is thank God the banhammer got you before we continued this debate (WHOOSH, WHOOSH, WHOOSH). 

Seriously, though, are you intentionally always this negative?  I would suggest you look at Cognitive Behavioral Therapy from a licensed professional if you are like this about everything....I can't imagine it is just the Bengals.   And I don't mean that as a personal attack.  Some people just have had enough things happen in their lives that they need help in overcoming the walls their minds put up as a defense mechanism.

On to your post....

You might find one or two pathetic scout rags that have Carman as a 2nd round pick.   He wasn't, admittedly, high on my radar, but I have liked everything I learned about him and studied after they drafted him.  It sounds funny to say, but he seems to play LT like a guard.  He attacks.  I thought it was a perfect match for Pollack.  Regardless of his current conditioning status, I will reserve judgement until week 1 and beyond.  But he was not a fourth round pick.  You also forget that this team lost it's #1 WR that did get a lot of forced targets last year, and two additional fourth rounders (Smith and Shelvin) by sliding in Rd 2.  

Saying Reiff is on the "wrong side of 30" is chronologically accurate, but not overly valid.  We kept saying "Bobby Hart is only 23....24.....25 " and we never saw him produce at the consistent level of Reiff.  He is a massive improvement, plain and simple.  Instead of giving the Bengals credit for signing him, you attack his age.  There are a lot of teams out there that would probably be very happy with him on their line.  


Spain comes from our "horrific line of last year".  No, not really, he comes from the vastly improved line that finished the season, not the shit show that started it.  

"Everyone on the oline from last year comes with a huge question mark".  Really?  Jonah William's only question mark has been health, and if you hold that against him, you have to destroy a lot of the guys that won a Super Bowl for KC two year's ago, because they were injured last year.  And Hopkins has scratched and clawed his way to being at the very least, a solid center.  So, they have two solid, veteran OTs, a solid veteran C, and a solid veteran OG in Spain.   That leaves one spot where you have a promising rookie, a veteran that showed fairly well last year, and a handful of guys that are all competing for that one spot.  No one is being handed anything due to injury or retirement like last year.  The talent and the depth are vastly improved.  

As far as Carman's conditioning goes, I can't help but wonder if his post-season herniated disc surgery (that he played through the final four games to attempt to win a second championship) didn't affect his ability to condition.  Not to make excuses for the guy, but he gave up 3 sacks in 3 seasons before that back injury starting at LT for Clemson.  I think he still has a lot of promise, but if you are ready to give up on him after one week of padded practice, be my guest.  That is your right, but it sure sounds childish.