Roe Vs Wade Overturned

[hollodero]

(12-08-2022, 01:35 PM)Dill Wrote: More agreement, at least with the bolded. 

Where you and I tend to separate is when abstract principles are situated or contextualized to specific issues within current U.S. politics, and the meaning I may or may not take away from any specific battle for states rights conflicts with your characterization of the "neutrality" of states rights in general.

What does it mean to support states rights in most of the political battles actually dividing the U.S.?  Big P's statement arose in a discussion about the right to choice, recently taken from citizens in many states. 

From the far right's perspective, that created more "freedom" by returning the decision to outlaw or not to the states--even as their representatives in Congress are working towards laws which would go the other direction and make the ban federal. 

For the record, I would just like to remind everyone that I too have been a consistent defender of states' autonomy, joining SSF in supporting the electoral college and two senators per state. One of my criticisms of Citizens United was that it took away power to regulate electoral corruption from states like Montana. 

So as I approach it, the states rights issue, like the filibuster, cannot really be understood independently of its evolution and deployment within the U.S. goverment. Your goal seems to be to separate it from its history in the battle for civil rights. 

Not really. My goal was to agree with the sentiment that saying "states' rights is just code for 'we want to own black folks'" is an untrue and polemic statement. That's all. And you seem to agree in half a sentence or so, except that you then go out of your way to put these words in context and instead find that my goal is to ignore the historic perspective. But that rationalization is not convincing me, I still think it was an untrue and polemic statement.

And for lack of a better explanation, I see that as a consequence of a dualistic political system again. Let's not take issue with it, rather take issue with the critics, for it comes from an ideological ally in this us vs them.