THIS is what black people be talking about…

[*michaelsean*]

(10-03-2022, 10:19 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Because year over year, the NFL itself is around 60 to 70% black (depending on the year) but, for some strange reason, very few of them end up being hired as coaches after they retire.

Is it personal choice? Do most black players who grew up playing the game as children, high school students, college athletes and professionals suddenly decide that they're done with football after retirement? Do white players just have "it" when it comes to teaching players things and running teams?

Or is it a systemic issue? (spoiler: It's probably this one).

Regarding the article, it's unfortunate that the Bengals have fallen so far. I liked Marvin and he had a diverse cast of coaches and the franchise helped several black coaches get their first chance at being a head coach (Vance Joseph, Marvin Lewis, Hue Jackson).

I do think it's reductive to look at this as a Bengals issue. We hired Zac, who is white, and he hired several coaches that he had already worked with in his past, likely as a comfort thing. And, surprisingly, the coaches that he worked with were mostly white.

Our ST coordinator is white, even back when we were a really diverse coaching staff, and he was retained due to his experience. Our OC and DC are white, which were personal hires by Zac based on people he knew in previous jobs. Also, it's worth keeping in mind that a lot of coaches were not interested in joining this staff in 2019, so we didn't have the pick of the litter. Zac hired people he knew because no one else wanted to join such a bad team with such shitty management/ownership. 

The good news is we have a few black coaches that I think could eventually join the ranks of Joseph, Jackson, Lewis and Frazier as black coaches who worked with the Bengals who went on to become head coaches. Marion Hobby is our Dline coach and I think he's done an absolutely outstanding job coaching up our Dline. I think he gets calls about defensive coordinator openings in the next few years. Same with Troy Walters, our WR coach. I think he has really good leadership with his group of receivers and they obviously are very well coached. We'll see how things go, but I like both of these coaches and think they're ascending talents in the NFL.

I don't think this article is saying the Bengals did anything wrong in who they chose to hire. I think it's more a commentary on how hard it is for black coaches to break those "in circles" that Zac was obviously hiring from. Or the "in circle" that Zac was part of to begin with such that he could be hired as a head coach without ever being a fulltime coordinator (which I still think is so ridiculous). At least, I think that's the resultant take away from her article. Maybe she's just race baiting, I'm not sure. It is a very poorly written article overall.

I mean someone could say white people don't get as much of a chance to go on to the next level of playing so they concentrate on becoming coaches.  I think that's as valid as the nonsense the ginger is spouting.