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McCarron hype gaining steam
(06-23-2015, 10:04 PM)McC Wrote: To be fair, I don't really see anyone blaming Dalton for much more than his play.  That's a phenomenon in itself, this idea that he gets blamed for anybody else's play.  If he makes a mistake, a bad throw, a fumble, whatever, he gets blamed for it.  Nothing more, nothing less.

The QB has more chances to shine or suck or anything in between than anyone else.  Too much credit, too much blame.  Nature of the beast.  What you're railing against is reality and sometimes reality is unfair.

QB is the most important position on the team = reality.
Other than HC, the QB gets the most blame/credit = reality
Blaming consistently crappy performances of a defense and RB's on a QB = folks who hate the QB taking it a bit too far

There are dozens of examples of teams not falling apart just because their QB threw a couple picks. Heck, just last year the Seahawks overcame 4 int's from Russell Wilson. They did this by getting 157 yards from Lynch while the defense limited the best QB in football to a 55.8 rating. That game was worse than any of Dalton's 4 playoff debacles, yet the rest of the team showed up in a huge way. According to some, that's not possible. Again, there's dozens of recent examples like this.

I'm not saying that the team should have to overcome multiple turnovers, I'm just saying that it's a BS excuse. Teams don't always implode due to a few turnovers. If they do, they're mentally weak. 

As I pointed out in a previous post, it's not like Dalton has turned it over in bunches every time. He only had 1 turnover each in the 2nd Texans game and the Colts game. The themes remained the same in those games. The defense got destroyed by the run, the opposing QB's played well and our run game was either ineffective (see Benson/Scott in 2011 or Gio last year) or abandoned too soon (pretty much happened every playoff game other than the Jets).

In summary, I'm aware that (outside of the HC) the QB gets the most credit/blame. I actually think that's the way it should be. What I'm railing against is the idea that every player's individual performance suffered due to 1-3 turnovers by the QB. Andy Dalton doesn't cause Maualuga to get roasted by TE's. He doesn't cause the d-line pressure to suddenly vanish, and he doesn't cause the run game to become ineffective or get abandoned too soon. Complete team-wide failure in the bright lights has been a theme for 12 years running. That's why I feel it's more of a Marvin problem than an Andy problem. My thinking is that the entire team could play better in crunch time with a different HC. Even Dalton, possibly.

For me, this isn't even about defending Andy Dalton so much as keeping the focus where I feel it belongs. I've said all offseason that I'm fine with replacing Dalton. I'd even consider starting McCarron if he looks really good in preseason.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - bonesaw - 06-21-2015, 10:19 AM
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - SHRacerX - 06-21-2015, 11:00 AM
RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - Ryuko - 06-21-2015, 01:09 PM
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - OSUfan - 06-21-2015, 11:36 AM
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - OSUfan - 06-21-2015, 02:41 PM
RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - djs7685 - 06-21-2015, 01:43 PM
RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - Bryan - 06-21-2015, 01:47 PM
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - spazz70 - 06-23-2015, 09:01 AM
RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - PhilHos - 06-21-2015, 03:02 PM
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