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McCarron hype gaining steam
(06-24-2015, 02:36 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I don't think you and I are disagreeing really.  I mean, Russel Wilson is actually 4-1 when he throws 2 or more INTs so his team does help him to be sure, but Dalton has 21 games where threw 2 or more INTs to his name (with an extra season played, granted) and he's 40-27-1 as a starter so he's not exactly a martyr, either (adding the playoff games into the mix).

I realize you are talking more about how the team responds, though.

Exactly. My point is that a couple turnovers (sometimes just one) shouldn't be an excuse for a team-wide collapse. IE the team-wide collapse is more of a coaching problem and not a QB problem. We've obviously had many problems in the playoffs. Blaming all of it on Dalton is silly, especially when we see the same themes every year, no matter how many turnovers Dalton has, or even before he was on the team:

- can't stop the run
- can't pressure the opposing QB or defend the pass well
- can't run the ball efficiently and/or stick with the run
- we've been outscored 84-13 in the 2nd half of the six playoff games
- totally inefficient passing offense (just so no one thinks I'm leaving Dalton out)

When there are this many problems, I set my sights on the head coach. The QB is just a player, who like any other player, can be hurt by poor coaching/planning/schemes. Fwiw, Carson Palmer was no better in prime time (72 passer rating) than Dalton, but since he left, his prime time passer rating has skyrocketed to 95. He was also terrible in the Jets playoff game.

I have no bias to defend Dalton. If we can improve the position, great. I wanted Rivers when many folks were saying he's too old. I just don't see how people can single Dalton out as a choke artist when our entire team has choked in the same situations for 12 years now. 
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - bonesaw - 06-21-2015, 10:19 AM
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - SHRacerX - 06-21-2015, 11:00 AM
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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - OSUfan - 06-21-2015, 11:36 AM
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