06-24-2015, 06:25 PM
(06-24-2015, 05:45 AM)OSUfan Wrote: Hold the press.
Did you or did you not chastise another poster for suggesting that the majority of blame for the teams postseason lack of success lies with the head coach?
Then here we go again..........if you do not completely agree with CB then you are not objective.
Andy has not shined in the postseason. However, to state he is not very good is not accurate either. He has been the QB for a team that has amassed 40 regular season wins in 4 seasons and please do not even start the ignorant winning in spite of. He has been the QB of a team that have won against the greats like Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Brady.
Does he need to show more consistency? Yes he absolutely does. Does he need to show an ability to shine in the postseason to remain the starting QB? Yes he does.
(06-24-2015, 08:15 AM)djs7685 Wrote: Which position does Andy play on defense?
I'm up for the discussion if you want to discuss the different defenses that Andy has played great against, but let's immediately stop with the bullshit of bringing up that "Andy isn't very good" gets debunked because our defenses stopped elite QBs in the past. Sort of silly, isn't it?
You usually don't win 40 games in 4 years with a terrible QB, but we all know that Andy isn't terrible. The TEAM winning 40 games doesn't automatically make the QB a good one though. I don't think calling Andy bad is fair, but neither is calling him good. I don't think saying "Andy isn't a very good QB" is off by much, especially not off by enough to go off on a tangent bringing up how it's untrue since the defense has sometimes stopped good QBs around the league. That is flat out illogical to come to that conclusion.
(06-24-2015, 09:13 AM)spazz70 Wrote: But the QB losing 4 playoff games makes him a bad QB..
(06-24-2015, 09:53 AM)djs7685 Wrote: No, the QB playing poorly in the playoff games makes him need to play better in the playoffs.
I'm not a fan of putting wins OR losses on one specific player. I think it's stupid when people put a W/L record on a QB. Football is a team sport more so than any of the other "popular" ones. LeBron can single-handedly take over a game, Corey Crawford and Johnny Cueto can pitch a shutout, but at the end of the day Andy still relies on at LEAST one other player to be in position to win or lose a game.
I fully agree with people that say QB is the most important position on the field, but it's not quite like other sports where 1 guy can really dominate a game by himself. I'm not saying the other guys need 0 help, Cueto still needs guys to hit the ball, Crawford still needs guys to score goals, and LeBron still needs some help on defense and even offensively as well, but if you had to pick 1 sport where 1 single player absolutely shouldn't have a W/L record, it's American football.
Reading Comprehension..............
I did not give the wins and losses to an individual.......read my statement again.
I never stated he played defense.......read my statement again.
I stated he was the QB of a TEAM (key word there) that beat some of the greats at the QB position. He is a part of those teams is he not? And whether you like to admit it or not he had a hand in those wins it was not just the defense rather a team effort.
