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McCarron hype gaining steam
(07-04-2015, 03:19 PM)PDub80 Wrote: - The turnovers and poor field position have most certainly effected the defense. To just look at AD's performances in those games in a vacuum is short sighted. There is a bigger picture when it comes to QB play and how it effects the game than just TDs and yards.

- Your second point strikes me as circular logic. No one coming into the NFL has exhibited anything in NFL play, but that doesn't stop teams from recognizing good players and putting those players into a position to be successful. Russel Wilson is a fine example of a player coming in with zero NFL experience and being an instant winner and beating out NFL vets. How much NFL experience in real games did Tom Brady have? He didn't prove anything before winning a Superbowl. I can make a long list of QBs in the modern era who came in and were successful without having that magical NFL experience. So to be afraid of that or stand on it as a basis of McCarron not possibly being ready doesn't hold water to me.

-Turnovers haven't effected the defense as much as has been claimed. Continued turnovers on a short field might, but a solid defense (which the Bengals have had) could off-set that, as proven by the Green Bay game in '13. Also, turnovers wouldn't lead to such a disparity in rushing yards or a lack of disparity in first downs and time of possession. Bad defensive play, overall, has lead to bad defensive play. Hell, 2 of the 4 playoff games were a wash in terms of turnovers; Houston v2 and Indy. That leaves Houston v1 and SD where the 3 and 4 turnover differential still left each team with an equal TOP.
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A lack of pressure on the QB, failure to stop the run and an inability to create turnovers have lead to bad defensive performances in all 4 games. 

-I'd call it deductive logic as opposed to circular logic. No QBs come into the league with either of those, but QBs are drafted with expectations. You wouldn't compare Peyton Manning to AJ McCarron because of the expectation and draft position of each. To hope for great things from a 5th round QB who was on a talent-laden team with many NFL draftees isn't wise. If he's able to come in and be a top 12 QB, he'd be the exception rather than the norm. Russell Wilson, while being an exception, was still a 3rd round pick that showed definite mobility as well as ability. Tom Brady is the biggest outlier there is. With the Bengals record of ability and luck in drafting, what are their chances of getting a Tom Brady type? I'd say about zero. If we were talking about a laundry list of 'what could have been', i'd say their chances were great. Definitely not with the Montana, Brady luck though.





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RE: McCarron hype gaining steam - bonesaw - 06-21-2015, 10:19 AM
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