01-13-2022, 12:05 AM
(01-12-2022, 10:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Then you agree with me that "vibe" and "culture" have nothing to do with "winning"?
That has been my point all along.
Vibe and culture reflect more an entire season than one game
(01-12-2022, 10:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Then you agree with me that "vibe" and "culture" have nothing to do with "winning"?
That has been my point all along.
(01-12-2022, 11:38 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]Barring injury to Burrow, there's no reason to think with another draft and FA, we won't be as good or better next year. Most of our stars are under contract to be back.
(01-12-2022, 11:30 AM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ] Look at all the young talent we had on the '05 team, Palmer (25), Ocho (27), Rudi (25), Levi Jones (25), Eric Steinbach (25), Justin Smith (25), Robert Geathers (22), Odell Thurman (22), Chris Henry (22), David Pollack (23), Madieu Williams (24).
(01-12-2022, 11:38 PM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]Barring injury to Burrow, there's no reason to think with another draft and FA, we won't be as good or better next year. Most of our stars are under contract to be back.
(01-12-2022, 10:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Then you agree with me that "vibe" and "culture" have nothing to do with "winning"?
That has been my point all along.
(01-12-2022, 10:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Why would I be worried about a lack of urgency when the reason for the concern is over? The lack of urgency has nothing to do with "worrying about the future" it is about "worrying about losing this week".
I am afraid that some of the players might have the same mindset as you. No need to play with any urgency or desperation because we will have so many more chances in the next few years, right?
(01-13-2022, 01:37 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: [ -> ]Hold on hold hold on..........
You honestly think that the players are looking beyond this week and worrying about the future?!
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Ok, I'm fine now...... so you think that....... no, wait.........
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Do you realize how short the life of the average NFL player is? You don't think they know that they have to win NOW?!
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Ok, I'm fine now........ you don't think that....... no, wait.........
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You don't think that the players know the history of this franchise, how snakebitten we've been, or that we haven't won a playoff game in 30 years?!
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EVERYONE knows what's at stake and they know that this will be the biggest game that a lot of them have ever played in.
We all know why you made this thread............
(01-13-2022, 01:49 AM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Brad, you know all of those things you just listed and even you are taking it for granted that we will be as good or better over the next few years. When you think like that you don't appreciate how important it is to win now. If you are sure you are going to be back next year then that means it is not as urgent to win now.
So if you think that way I am afraid some of the players might also.
(01-13-2022, 08:34 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: [ -> ]I point out how we're not taking it for granted and pointed out how there's no way the players are and you just ignore it all and repeat that I am and the players are!
(01-12-2022, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]I have already made a thread to address this. We have seen "peaks" before in the season that were followed by playing like shit for a couple of games. If Zac can keep us playing on a high level in the playoffs then he will deserve my praise.
(01-13-2022, 11:02 AM)SladeX Wrote: [ -> ]Marvin NEVER did that, and you have no problem praising him.
(01-13-2022, 10:28 AM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Actually what I did was point out that, by your own admission, you are taking it for granted that the Bengals will be just as good or even better over the next few years. Then I pointed out that since you are doing it is possible the players are doing it.
How can you say you are not taking it for granted when there is a direct quote in this very thread where you say the team will be as good or even better over the next few years? Do you not know what the term "taking for granted" means? You believe (take it) as true (granted) that the team will be just as good or even better. Thinking like this means you do not appreciate the urgency to win this year.
(01-13-2022, 04:28 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: [ -> ]When did I say I'm taking it for granted? Post quotes with links, not out of context quotes.
Saying that future free agents would be excited to come here once we win a playoff game or two (in a thread that's likely about the future) is not taking it for granted. There's nothing wrong with optimism in posts or having faith in your team. Do you think the players and coaches want people showing up to games that aren't confident we're going to win?
I've been at every playoff game since the '05 season and you honestly think that, with the heartbreak of the Carson injury and then the Hill fumble, that I, or any other true fan, is taking this for granted?
We're loving the current moment. Cincinnati is going to be packed pre-game, so much so that we're not even going to The Banks, and tailgating will be crazy (already invited to multiple parties), but you think fans are taking it for granted?
Fred, we've been waiting THIRTY YEARS FOR THIS, and every coach and player knows it, so trust me when I tell you that no one is taking it for granted.
(01-13-2022, 04:46 PM)Wyche Wrote: [ -> ]Not to derail y'all's argument.....but....John Thornton was on WLW last night talking about the very topic I bolded. As a former player, and current agent, he was basically echoing what you are saying there. He thinks one thing you'll see more of is guys coming in for a one year deal to plug holes in the roster. Guys looking to come back off injury, or cap casualties. When you're losing, you don't have much of that.
(01-13-2022, 01:49 AM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Brad, you know all of those things you just listed and even you are taking it for granted that we will be as good or better over the next few years. When you think like that you don't appreciate how important it is to win now. If you are sure you are going to be back next year then that means it is not as urgent to win now.
So if you think that way I am afraid some of the players might also.
(01-13-2022, 04:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly but I think we'll also get a few big names coming here on long-term deals because they're excited about what's going on here!
(01-13-2022, 05:06 PM)Wyche Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I'd agree with that too. They didn't really go in depth on the subject, but I thought Thornton made a good point there. He said often a guy will take deals like that to prove themselves, and they'd rather go and win some games while they're at it. Maybe they even stay, and sign a longer deal.
(01-12-2022, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote: [ -> ]I have already made a thread to address this. We have seen "peaks" before in the season that were followed by playing like shit for a couple of games. If Zac can keep us playing on a high level in the playoffs then he will deserve my praise.