11-17-2023, 11:34 PM
(11-17-2023, 09:59 PM)casear2727 Wrote: [ -> ]I was making a joke. I swear some of you guys need a damn disclaimer....
Oh your football jokes are so funny and you said mine were not LOL
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(11-17-2023, 09:59 PM)casear2727 Wrote: [ -> ]I was making a joke. I swear some of you guys need a damn disclaimer....
(11-17-2023, 11:18 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: [ -> ]He's a good DC, and he seems to be able to scheme his defense to his players strengths. His players like him and he generally has the defense playing disciplined. I'm not sure how good he would be on the offensive side, but if you're able to pair him with an OC who can call plays, I think he could make the team pretty good. I feel like Zac and Callahan are both stubborn with their offensive scheme, but Lou seems to be ok with changing up his scheme by adjusting in the 2nd half. I don't really see the offense doing that very often, and would like to see a HC who has that mentality.
(11-17-2023, 11:34 PM)Bronxbengal Wrote: [ -> ]Oh your football jokes are so funny and you said mine were not LOL
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(11-17-2023, 11:49 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: [ -> ]HC skills far exceed being a capable coordinator.
Remember that expose a few years ago about the Bengals issues?
(11-17-2023, 10:59 PM)Nately120 Wrote: [ -> ]Bledsoe was a 1st overall pick who made it to a SB with a downtrodden franchise and he was replaced by a surprise nobody that wasn't supposed to make it off the bench. Close enough for a facetious comparison.
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(11-17-2023, 10:42 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]Is the offense a total disaster? No certainly not but the problem is we are asking Burrow to do too much. As has been said we essentially have no insurance policy with a backup for Burrow yet we do nothing to limit what we ask of him. That's one thing being 100% but another being hobbled with a bad calf. I just really don't think we can have a consistent running game with Zac calling plays to help Burrow out.
Seriously look at it. Zac came in 2019 we had a great run game with Mixon 2018. Not only was it terrible but we asked Dalton to throw it 40+ times a game. When the run game finally gets fixed we bench Dalton. 2020 Burrow is drafted terrible oline. No emphasis on the run just ask Burrow to throw 40+ times knee gets shredded. It's been more of the same the past 2 seasons but we have Chase but we just continue to not be consistent with the run. I'm rambling and being incoherent but something has to change.
(11-18-2023, 03:44 PM)Wyche Wrote: [ -> ]Great run game? We haven't had an efficient run game since Rudi Johnson. Mixon got bulk yards that year, but the YPC was still bad.
(11-18-2023, 03:44 PM)Wyche Wrote: [ -> ]Great run game? We haven't had an efficient run game since Rudi Johnson. Mixon got bulk yards that year, but the YPC was still bad.
(11-18-2023, 07:43 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I was gonna say, Benson in 09 was probably the last time we actually had a running game. Which really is crazy to think about. Especially in the AFCN.
(11-17-2023, 10:42 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously look at it. Zac came in 2019 we had a great run game with Mixon 2018.
(11-18-2023, 08:37 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]2018 Bengals were 21st in rushing ypg.
It was efficient, but not great or prolific. RBs are one of the biggest 1-year-wonder positions in the NFL. Sometimes they just have one great year and they'll never repeat it again.
2015 Giovani Bernard went for 4.7ypc and 9.6avg.
2014 Jeremy Hill went for 1,124 yards at 5.1ypc.
2014 Justin Forsett went for 1,266 yards at 5.4ypc.
2011 Ben Tate went for 942 yards at 5.4ypc.
2010 Peyton Hillis went for 1,177 yards at 4.4ypc.
2009 Cedric Benson went for 1,251 yards at 4.2ypc.
2008 Le'Ron McClain was randomly an All-Pro with 900 yards and 10 TDs and his second highest totals are 180 and 2.
Just some AFCN guys that I could think of off the top of my head who had a year that they never came close to recreating as far as both production and efficiency combined are concerned. I'm sure there's a mountain more if I expanded it to the NFL and was more thorough.
Their 1-year-wonder status combined with the extreme wear-and-tear and quick aging is just another reason you don't pay RBs.
(11-18-2023, 09:22 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]But it may be impossible to say if Mixon could've repeated that success or Taylor was unable to utilize him. It did take him 8 Games to figure it out in 2019 then we draft Burrow and I dont think that drove him to want to run it more.
(11-18-2023, 12:12 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah that's true. It still doesn't mean that he couldn't be a good HC. Can't know until you try. You know what you have with Zac and Callahan. Personally, I would be looking for something better. Can't have all this talent on offense and not play to your potential.
(11-18-2023, 11:44 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, year 4 of Mixon (with Joe Burrow) looked an awful lot like year 1 of Mixon, and not terribly far off year 6 of Mixon.
So I think at this point, in his 7th year, we can comfortably say that the Mixon of 2018 was the anomalous outlier.
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You say he "figured it out" in 2019 after 8 games, but the reality was he just played the Browns twice, who had the 30th ranked rushing defense in both yards and yards per carry. Also had a good game against the Patriots in a game the Bengals lost by 21, which defenses will happily let you run if you're getting crushed because it keeps eating up clock and ends the game sooner. Prior to that, he averaged 3.5 yards per carry the first 12 games of the season, dead on his 2017 number and .1 below his 2018 number.
The 4.9ypc Mixon of 2018 was just a mirage that kept you expecting and hoping for more. His other 6 years all tell a pretty consistent truth.
(11-17-2023, 10:54 PM)CincinnatiKid Wrote: [ -> ]There are plenty of teams winning right now with back up quarterbacks and who have less talent than the Bengals do. This is ?% on Zac Taylor. We will see what he is without Joe Burrow.
(11-19-2023, 12:04 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry but I have to disagree. He was the #2 back in the NFL the 2nd half of 2019. Where he had like 4 games under 20 yds the 1st half. So we definitely figured something out.
I also think it's impossible to say if 2018 is an outlier because Taylor and company is an unknown variable. It's like saying we know exactly what AJ Green was because we have all of his stats. Well you also had probably one of the worst deep throw QBs in the league as his QB for the best part of his career.
(11-18-2023, 11:44 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, year 4 of Mixon (with Joe Burrow) looked an awful lot like year 1 of Mixon, and not terribly far off year 6 of Mixon.
So I think at this point, in his 7th year, we can comfortably say that the Mixon of 2018 was the anomalous outlier.
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You say he "figured it out" in 2019 after 8 games, but the reality was he just played the Browns twice, who had the 30th ranked rushing defense in both yards and yards per carry. Also had a good game against the Patriots in a game the Bengals lost by 21, which defenses will happily let you run if you're getting crushed because it keeps eating up clock and ends the game sooner. Prior to that, he averaged 3.5 yards per carry the first 12 games of the season, dead on his 2017 number and .1 below his 2018 number.
The 4.9ypc Mixon of 2018 was just a mirage that kept you expecting and hoping for more. His other 6 years all tell a pretty consistent truth.
(11-19-2023, 12:09 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: [ -> ]evey year there is a awful team where the RB starts to go off by the end of the year
it's opposing teams not giving 100% when facing dog crap teams. You see it every year