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(11-11-2024, 06:53 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: [ -> ]We tagged him & he went out & gave zero effort in the regular season.

Just like Tee is giving this year.

(11-12-2024, 07:12 AM)Go Cards Wrote: [ -> ]Did not think it was smart to tag him this season personally. if he is tagged twice then he will know there is no chance of signing with the Bengals and just fake an injury and pocket the 26 million and stay healthy for the team that will pay him.

Just like he is doing this year.

(11-12-2024, 09:16 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with so many others - too much for a guy who cannot stay on the field. Wish it was feasible, because I love Tee.

I used to but he is right there with AJ Green in my book a bum that turned his back on his team after being tagged.

(11-12-2024, 11:45 AM)2MinutesHate Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think that he may just end up signing back here.  With ESPN projecting him to have 580 yards this year and 641 last year, maybe he gets a deal with performance incentives, but I just don't see anywhere close to what I think he's looking for ($25 million+).  

Frankly, I just don't see him ever returning to form from his first 3 years.  Those soft tissue injuries can be tough to prevent depending on the player.
I wouldn't mind resigning him but it would have to be for a team-friendly deal.  Maybe if Burton somehow grows up, we won't have to worry about it anymore.

I do not want the guy back even on a long turn deal. I just cannot root for a guy that stabs you in the back once. I hope he gets an incentive deal as well and falls on his face and fails like so many others that turned their back on us thinking the grass is greener someplace else. They either failed in performance or ended up in losing programs.

(11-13-2024, 05:16 PM)kevin Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, you don't like that word.  I will mention Baseball and the years of players unable to negotiate, which lead to Curt Flood and Players Union taking Baseball to court.  Baseball has had strikes and so has football.   If teams such as Bengals would abuse the Free Agent Market by slapping the Franchise Tag on the same player over and over, that would be solid reason for The Players Union to go on Strike against The NFL and take the NFL to court.  

However it would be stupid for Bengals to do it, and have Higgins and his agent upset, when the Bengals need that Higgins money to lock in Chase long term.  

However if the Bengals want Higgins so much.  Then give him a long term contract also in good faith.   Do not keep slapping a Franchise Tag on him years after his contract ran out.  I would be all for The Players Union going on strike and taking NFL to court, if players without contracts can be held in limbo by abuse of the Franchise Tag.  Plus upset players and agents are not good for The TEAM in the long run.  

Baseball and Football discovered that without Free Agency, The Players Union is weak.   Abuse of the Franchise Tag should be seen as total attack to eliminate Free Agency and eliminate The Players Union, and why The Players Union should go on strike and take NFL to court if players such as Higgins are held in limbo years after their contracts run out.  It is Union Busting, is exactly what it is. 

It is within the rules to tag players twice do I think it is a good idea? No. but it is well within the rules that the player association agreed with. So, you know where you can stick your strike. 

(11-13-2024, 06:07 PM)Whatever Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, unlike Tee, Eifert actually made the Pro Bowl...

And unlike Tee, Eifert was actually injured.

(11-15-2024, 02:05 AM)jj22 Wrote: [ -> ]Tee is going to have to sign a 1 year prove it deal if he misses any more games. And if he does Bengals can be in the mix since it likely won’t be franchise tag money.

If we lose two more games, then I would not play Higgins even if he is healthy, it will be all about getting the future WR ready for next year and Tee is not part of that plan.

(11-16-2024, 07:42 AM)BengalsBong Wrote: [ -> ]Just like he is doing this year.

Said all offseason that there was a good chance he did it this year as well if tagged, just like AJ Green. 

Really liked both WR's and understand why they are doing it as well. Yet most believed Tee was such a good guy that he would show loyalty to the Bengals when the team is not showing him any by not signing him longterm. I fell for it with AJ Green too though thinking he would be loyal to his fans and team over his families meal train.  

Messing with peoples livelihoods usually ends up a bad monetary decision for the ones trying to hold the player hostage it seems. Also feel as I've said many times, its very advantageous to trade him to the team of your choice than let him walk for free and sign with the Ravens, steelers, or Browns and come back on a revenge tour. 

Has been my stance for 3 years now and just got tired of arguing it when it only fell on deaf ears anyway. 

(11-15-2024, 02:13 AM)Bengal Dude Wrote: [ -> ]A big reason is that there'd be no compensation. 

Also, teams know how the Bengals do contracts. All they have to do is guarantee multiple years of the deal and the Bengals will probably not match the offer. 

If you're going to tag him, just franchise him and find a trade partner. Someone will be willing the give up at least a 3rd round pick for him, which is still better than a 2026 comp pick. They just need to swallow their pride and actually accept a deal with another team instead of trying to squeeze every drop they possibly can.

If you do not get a dance partner, then you are stuck with Tee hamstring injury for another year at 26 million. The Bengal's are the ugliest girl at the dance and the poorest nobody is going to ask us to dance they will just laugh as we eat 26 million for a bum that won't suit up.

(11-11-2024, 12:17 PM)MC Howley Wrote: [ -> ]I’m sure the counterargument will be that the Bengals don’t have the cash flow they need to make this work. But if that’s the case, why not just franchise tag Tee Higgins again and trade him?

Injuries aside—though I know it's frustrating that Tee has missed half the games this year—when he’s on the field, it’s undeniable that the Bengals are a better team. The offense is simply more unstoppable with him.

What I don’t understand is why teams rarely franchise tag players twice. The Redskins did it with Kirk Cousins, but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Now, according to the current NFL franchise tag values, a second-year franchise tag for a wide receiver (WR) in 2025 would cost 120% of the previous year's tag. That works out to about $26.18 million, based on the 2024 WR franchise tag value of $21.82 million.

So, if the Bengals were to franchise tag Tee Higgins in 2025, it would cost $26.18 million for another year of service. That number is still less than what Aiyuk, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, D.J. Moore, and Cooper Kupp are making annually.

2024 Top NFL WR Salaries (Average Annual Value):
- Justin Jefferson – $35 million (4 years, $140 million)
- CeeDee Lamb – $34 million (4 years, $136 million)
- A.J. Brown – $32 million (3 years, $96 million)
- Amon-Ra St. Brown – $30.002 million (4 years, $120.01 million)
- (tie) Brandon Aiyuk – $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
- (tie) Tyreek Hill – $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
- Jaylen Waddle – $28.3 million (3 years, $84.8 million)
- Davante Adams – $28 million (5 years, $140 million)
- D.J. Moore – $27.5 million (4 years, $110 million)
- Cooper Kupp – $26.7 million (3 years, $80.1 million)
- DeVonta Smith – $25 million (3 years, $75 million)
- Nico Collins – $24.3 million (3 years, $72.8 million)
- D.K. Metcalf – $24 million (3 years, $72 million)
- Deebo Samuel – $23.9 million (3 years, $71.6 million)
- Michael Pittman Jr. – $23.3 million (3 years, $70 million)
- Terry McLaurin – $23.2 million (3 years, $69.6 million)
- Calvin Ridley – $23 million (4 years, $92 million)
- Stefon Diggs – $22.5 million (1 year, $22.5 million)

Just want to remind everyone I got 100% negativity with this idea.... YET, Joe Burrow seems to agree?

(11-11-2024, 12:17 PM)MC Howley Wrote: [ -> ]I’m sure the counterargument will be that the Bengals don’t have the cash flow they need to make this work. But if that’s the case, why not just franchise tag Tee Higgins again and trade him?

Injuries aside—though I know it's frustrating that Tee has missed half the games this year—when he’s on the field, it’s undeniable that the Bengals are a better team. The offense is simply more unstoppable with him.

What I don’t understand is why teams rarely franchise tag players twice. The Redskins did it with Kirk Cousins, but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Now, according to the current NFL franchise tag values, a second-year franchise tag for a wide receiver (WR) in 2025 would cost 120% of the previous year's tag. That works out to about $26.18 million, based on the 2024 WR franchise tag value of $21.82 million.

So, if the Bengals were to franchise tag Tee Higgins in 2025, it would cost $26.18 million for another year of service. That number is still less than what Aiyuk, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, D.J. Moore, and Cooper Kupp are making annually.

2024 Top NFL WR Salaries (Average Annual Value):
- Justin Jefferson – $35 million (4 years, $140 million)
- CeeDee Lamb – $34 million (4 years, $136 million)
- A.J. Brown – $32 million (3 years, $96 million)
- Amon-Ra St. Brown – $30.002 million (4 years, $120.01 million)
- (tie) Brandon Aiyuk – $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
- (tie) Tyreek Hill – $30 million (4 years, $120 million)
- Jaylen Waddle – $28.3 million (3 years, $84.8 million)
- Davante Adams – $28 million (5 years, $140 million)
- D.J. Moore – $27.5 million (4 years, $110 million)
- Cooper Kupp – $26.7 million (3 years, $80.1 million)
- DeVonta Smith – $25 million (3 years, $75 million)
- Nico Collins – $24.3 million (3 years, $72.8 million)
- D.K. Metcalf – $24 million (3 years, $72 million)
- Deebo Samuel – $23.9 million (3 years, $71.6 million)
- Michael Pittman Jr. – $23.3 million (3 years, $70 million)
- Terry McLaurin – $23.2 million (3 years, $69.6 million)
- Calvin Ridley – $23 million (4 years, $92 million)
- Stefon Diggs – $22.5 million (1 year, $22.5 million)

I got so much PLAYA HATING from pretty much, 100% of the people on this thread about this idea when I posted it. 

(02-17-2025, 06:23 PM)MC Howley Wrote: [ -> ]I got so much PLAYA HATING from pretty much, 100% of the people on this thread about this idea when I posted it. 

Not from me. I've been saying Tag Tee twice since last year. 

Now, in Y2 it is more critical to get an extension done.