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(03-30-2025, 12:54 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: [ -> ]When in doubt, which was most of the time, Blake would chuck it to Scott 

Nobody could defend him on a go route! Just flat out fly past people!

(03-30-2025, 12:31 PM)Goalpost Wrote: [ -> ]David Verser....just kidding.

But I will mention Darnay Scott.  Darnay was 9th all time in catches.  His Yard per Catch was 15.5..higher than Chad, Green, and Ja'Marr.
Also, in Darnay's career...1994-2001...Darnay never lost a fumble.

A Wedge fact, I saw Verser wearing #81, I thought that number looked cool on a jersey and it became my number all thru HS. Although I played LBer...lol

(03-30-2025, 02:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]Ja'Marr will be the best, but Chad was damn good. Isaac Curtis is the best until Ja'Marr starts breaking both these guy's records. 

AJ Green was damn good himself in his prime. 

Ike was like Jerry Rice before Jerry Rice though, crazy speed and hands combination.

Chad was the crispest route runner and had the best toe tap of his time. 

AJ had another gear in pads and could destroy entire secondary's even when they tried to double him being 6'4" with speed.

Ja'Marr Chase's balance, quicks, speed and strength are as elite as it gets, none better. He will be the best.

I keep seeing Curtis' name coming up. He was as much, if not more, athletically talented than most but he just didn't really put up even pro bowl numbers for any more than the first 3rd of his career. I like the guy and talk to him every now and then when he comes in our shop. Sure he was fast and sure he got a rule changed but he wasn't really on par with his peers other than his rookie and 3rd years when he finished 5th and 2nd in yards.  

Other than that, he ranks among his peers, year to year - 13, 13, injured (8 games), 23, 44, 48, 48, injured (9 games), 51. His last year ('84) he started 13 games and had 135 yards on the season. Ja'Marr will pass him in receptions very early this year, likely pass him in TDs this year and pass him in yards some time next year. 

Currently, Chad is the best WR in Bengals history and he only holds that for a few more years till Ja'Marr passes him as #1. AJ would be right behind them and then you have Curtis, Pickens, Collinsworth and Brown in any particular order though many of them had relatively short careers as far as WRs go. Then Boyd, Housh and Scott are right behind them. 

At his current pace, Tee is going to put himself inbetween the AJ/Chad coversation and if he's able to stay healthy, challenge Chad for #2. 

That's my story and i'm sticking to it. 

(03-30-2025, 03:38 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: [ -> ]Or Steve krieder?

Mr. Hands! He and Tim McGee were such good complimentary WRs

As a comparison to how they did against their peers in just the years they played in the league: (most yards in the years they played vs their peers)

#1s
3rd Chad
3rd Chase
4th AJ Green
4th Collinsworth
7th Ike
10th Eddie Brown
13th Pickens

#2s
17th Higgins
19th Boyd
21st Housh
26th Darnay Scott

Right now I would put Chad at #1 and Ja'Marr at #2 but I do think Ja'Marr will take over the #1 spot by the time his career is done.

The most talented Bengals WR ever is Ja'Marr Chase. For "greatest", I will operate with the full body of production relative to era (this is just off the top of my head).

1. Chad Johnson
2. Isaac Curtis
3. AJ Green
4. Ja'Marr Chase
5. Carl Pickens
6. TJ Houshmandzadeh
7. Cris Collinsworth
8. Eddie Brown
9. Tee Higgins
10. Tim McGee
11. Darnay Scott
12. Tyler Boyd
13. Chip Meyers
14. Peter Warrick
15. Marvin Jones

I might be willing to move Chase to the top very soon (perhaps even within the next season). At this point it's just a formality as long as he stays healthy. He'll need more time to match Chad's counting statistics, but his peak is already better. He just needs to sustain it a bit.

Jamar Chase. End of discussion.

He has a chance to be the best WR of all time. 

Chase
Chad
AJ

If AJ was able to continue his first 5 years for his last 5 years, he would've been the best even ahead of Chase at this point.

But injuries and fall off, hurt him.

Chad still has the team records, but by the time Chase retires/leaves us, barring catastrophic injury(ies), he will lead every single category.

Chad still my #1...

Chase has some big seasons but we definitely aren't a balanced team anymore. very pass heavy

But Chase will likely retire with all the records hopefully

(03-31-2025, 04:20 AM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: [ -> ]1. Chad Johnson
2. Isaac Curtis
3. AJ Green
4. Ja'Marr Chase
5. Carl Pickens
6. TJ Houshmandzadeh
7. Cris Collinsworth
8. Eddie Brown
9. Tee Higgins
10. Tim McGee
11. Darnay Scott
12. Tyler Boyd
13. Chip Meyers
14. Peter Warrick
15. Marvin Jones

Solid list of players and the order. I'd bump Curtis down, and without looking at stats, my memory tells me Scott was better than McGee, but I'm just splitting hairs with debating which of the two was better.

(03-30-2025, 12:54 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: [ -> ]When in doubt, which was most of the time, Blake would chuck it to Scott 

They weren't the most talented team, but man could they be entertaining.  The last-minute wins in the last games of '94 and '95 come to mind.  If memory serves, Blake-to-Pickens was the most prolific QB/WR duo for about a three year period.  

It would have been nice if an 8-8 Blake team had gotten a bounce or two and snagged a WC spot.

(03-30-2025, 08:57 PM)sandwedge Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody could defend him on a go route! Just flat out fly past people!

I remember that game at Seattle where he just flat-out torched everybody.

Child please….. It’s Isaac Curtis. The NFL changed the rules because of him.

(03-31-2025, 01:13 PM)Awful Llama Wrote: [ -> ]They weren't the most talented team, but man could they be entertaining.  The last-minute wins in the last games of '94 and '95 come to mind.  If memory serves, Blake-to-Pickens was the most prolific QB/WR duo for about a three year period.  

It would have been nice if an 8-8 Blake team had gotten a bounce or two and snagged a WC spot.


I remember that game at Seattle where he just flat-out torched everybody.

I was at that game in Seattle

(03-30-2025, 09:03 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing Curtis' name coming up. He was as much, if not more, athletically talented than most but he just didn't really put up even pro bowl numbers for any more than the first 3rd of his career. I like the guy and talk to him every now and then when he comes in our shop. Sure he was fast and sure he got a rule changed but he wasn't really on par with his peers other than his rookie and 3rd years when he finished 5th and 2nd in yards.  

Other than that, he ranks among his peers, year to year - 13, 13, injured (8 games), 23, 44, 48, 48, injured (9 games), 51. His last year ('84) he started 13 games and had 135 yards on the season. Ja'Marr will pass him in receptions very early this year, likely pass him in TDs this year and pass him in yards some time next year. 

Currently, Chad is the best WR in Bengals history and he only holds that for a few more years till Ja'Marr passes him as #1. AJ would be right behind them and then you have Curtis, Pickens, Collinsworth and Brown in any particular order though many of them had relatively short careers as far as WRs go. Then Boyd, Housh and Scott are right behind them. 

At his current pace, Tee is going to put himself inbetween the AJ/Chad coversation and if he's able to stay healthy, challenge Chad for #2. 

That's my story and i'm sticking to it. 

It's not the same game today as it was when Curtis was playing.

(04-02-2025, 08:08 AM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not the same game today as it was when Curtis was playing.

Right, but he literally compared Curtis to his own peers in his post. That was kind of the point.

(04-02-2025, 08:08 AM)Sled21 Wrote: [ -> ]It's not the same game today as it was when Curtis was playing.

Right. And as i noted, i compared his production to his peers of the time. All the other WRs of the time were dealing with the same things he was. 

(03-31-2025, 05:45 PM)bengalrick Wrote: [ -> ]Child please…..  It’s Isaac Curtis.  The NFL changed the rules because of him.

Why are you telling us, "**** you?" We did nothing to you... 

People really forget what that quote actually means.

And (not directed at you, Rick) I always get a kick of people who tout the accomplishments of players when they aren't even aware of the landscape of the time/peers, as Faulk noted. It's a stupid way to look at it, but PFR has their Fantasy Points and how it stacks up with their peers: he was top 10 each of his first 4 years, then never got higher than 25 for the rest of his career.

It's almost as if an injury or the evolution of the game slowed him down and hindered him.

I wouldn't even put Curtis top 5 (Pickens and Higgins are higher).

(03-30-2025, 09:03 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: [ -> ]I keep seeing Curtis' name coming up. He was as much, if not more, athletically talented than most but he just didn't really put up even pro bowl numbers for any more than the first 3rd of his career. I like the guy and talk to him every now and then when he comes in our shop. Sure he was fast and sure he got a rule changed but he wasn't really on par with his peers other than his rookie and 3rd years when he finished 5th and 2nd in yards.  

Other than that, he ranks among his peers, year to year - 13, 13, injured (8 games), 23, 44, 48, 48, injured (9 games), 51. His last year ('84) he started 13 games and had 135 yards on the season. Ja'Marr will pass him in receptions very early this year, likely pass him in TDs this year and pass him in yards some time next year. 

Currently, Chad is the best WR in Bengals history and he only holds that for a few more years till Ja'Marr passes him as #1. AJ would be right behind them and then you have Curtis, Pickens, Collinsworth and Brown in any particular order though many of them had relatively short careers as far as WRs go. Then Boyd, Housh and Scott are right behind them. 

At his current pace, Tee is going to put himself inbetween the AJ/Chad coversation and if he's able to stay healthy, challenge Chad for #2. 

That's my story and i'm sticking to it. 

I get your story and cannot disagree. Ike was in a time where they didn't throw the ball a lot, just saying he was very talented and for his time
he was maybe our best WR, but in this throwing NFL Ja'Marr should pass him up quickly along with Chad and AJ. Ja'Marr is the best already 
honestly which is crazy how young he is.

(04-04-2025, 01:17 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: [ -> ]I get your story and cannot disagree. Ike was in a time where they didn't throw the ball a lot, just saying he was very talented and for his time
he was maybe our best WR, but in this throwing NFL Ja'Marr should pass him up quickly along with Chad and AJ. Ja'Marr is the best already 
honestly which is crazy how young he is.

If they were all lined up for a pick-up game, I'm picking Ja'Marr first. Chad is still the greatest, but probably for not much longer.