If you don't like my Chris Carson comparison to the Joe Mixon (I think Carson is the closest example to him) then let's look at a running back who signed an equal contract (4 years 48 million): Aaron Jones.

Mixon and Jones have almost an identical amount of career rushing yards. 3,359 yards for Mixon, 3,364 for Jones. Both in 4 years. But Jones' 37 rushing TD's are almost double that of Joe Mixon's 20. And the worst discrepancy is the yards per carry. Jones has averaged 5.2 yards a pop to Mixon's 4.1!

Jones leads Mixon is every single category. And with almost double the TD's and a FULL YARD more a carry it's no contest.

And before anyone hits me with the "look what OL they ran behind" I understand that matters. But production is what drives contracts in this league. And nothing is going to completely erase those differences in TD's and YPC.

Mixon should have been paid what many of us were either predicting or calling for; about 8-9 mil per. 10 mil and up and you got ripped off, especially when you locked him up early (usually results in some level of discount).

God, do I hate discussing football with people that play fantasy football. Numbers don't tell the whole story.

Perine is a good re-sign, but he played most of his time when Spain and XSF were the starting guards and playing much better than Jordan, Price, Johnson and Redmond earlier in the year.

Some of you need to stop following the football all of the time and actually pay attention to the game once in awhile.

(03-25-2021, 05:35 PM)Earendil Wrote: How much of that is on the lousy offensive line that lets the runners get hit in the backfield?

if you truly think our OL is going to be that much improved this year I honestly think it MAY approach average.  Last year when the running game was working Taylor called on Burrow to throw the ball 50 times.

(03-25-2021, 09:51 PM)TJ528 Wrote: if you truly think our OL is going to be that much improved this year I honestly think it MAY approach average.  Last year when the running game was working Taylor called on Burrow to throw the ball 50 times.

I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying that it isn't entirely fair to judge any of our running backs until we see them used properly and with decent holes to run through.  At least getting to the LoS would be a good start.

(03-25-2021, 09:51 PM)TJ528 Wrote: if you truly think our OL is going to be that much improved this year I honestly think it MAY approach average.  Last year when the running game was working Taylor called on Burrow to throw the ball 50 times.

I think many would say if our Oline approached even close to "average" that it would be very "much improved" compared to what we've seen past couple years. 

Nooo, I don't want Gio to leave

Don't think it's a good idea to dump Gio. WE have multiple teams calling for him for a reason - he is the best pass protection back in the NFL. He is also a dangerous weapon out of the backfield and can even do between the tackles when necessary.

(03-25-2021, 02:34 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: well if the goal is to stop Burrow from getting Hit...  based on the OL upgrades we made we need Gio in the backfield.

Hope we hang onto him. I actually like him over Mixon. Better blocker, and I think he has better vision too. I know I’ll catch hell for this but it’s not like I haven’t said it before. Trade Mixon for Ertz and picks. Why not.

I'd rather keep Gio over Mixon

I think if multiple teams called about a trade we would be reading about Gio being traded. This just seems like the front office trying to create a market for Gio with this rumor of multiple calls.

I hear people talking about Mixon on here and I kind of agree,I don't think he should be an every down back. There's a lot of times as big as he is,he gets taken down easy and doesn't have that elite speed either. Theres games he gets nothing going, unless he's playing a bad team and fed the ball a lot. Seems to be a streaky player I guess. But what he did at Oklahoma was he was more of a pass catcher. That's where he excels at.

(03-26-2021, 02:46 AM)BengalsFanRealist2855 Wrote: I hear people talking about Mixon on here and I kind of agree,I don't think he should be an every down back. There's a lot of times as big as he is,he gets taken down easy and doesn't have that elite speed either. Theres games he gets nothing going, unless he's playing a bad team and fed the ball a lot. Seems to be a streaky player I guess. But what he did at Oklahoma was he was more of a pass catcher. That's where he excels at.

Mixon could stand to lose about 15lbs too

(03-25-2021, 05:23 PM)TJ528 Wrote: I completely agree with you Chez.  I think you can find a better value in the draft than Mixon. 

I thought Mixon would have been our answer after Rudy. And he was for 2 seasons. His blocking is bad and his injuries are becoming AJ-esque. I wouldnt mind trading him.

(03-26-2021, 08:28 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: I thought Mixon would have been our answer after Rudy. And he was for 2 seasons. His blocking is bad and his injuries are becoming AJ-esque. I wouldnt mind trading him.

No it’s not.

(03-25-2021, 02:25 PM)Bengalholic Wrote:

Multiple teams have called to inquire about #Bengals RB Giovani Bernard, per source. Barring a restructured contract, Bernard — one of the NFL’s top receiving backs and still only 29 — could be headed elsewhere.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 25, 2021

 

GIO is a good back-up, but he is not UNTOUCHABLE.  What are they offering ?   Bengals aren't looking to get rid of Gio, he serves a need, but if they make an offer you can't refuse.  How high of draft picks are teams offering ?   If teams are offering garbage picks for him, forget it. 

(03-26-2021, 02:11 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: I think if multiple teams called about a trade we would be reading about Gio being traded. This just seems like the front office trying to create a market for Gio with this rumor of multiple calls.

This^

If there's a way to dump his salary for a draft pick they'll fish for it.

Even if they get bites, the lower the pick or less interest generated can be used to leverage his value for restructure at the least.

I have a hard time believing that Gio is on a hot list for teams looking to trade... and I like Gio!

(03-26-2021, 08:31 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No it’s not.

If his blocking was good we wouldnt need Gio in there on 3rd down to block to make sure JoeyB didnt end up on his ass.  

Mixon is a 2 down back.  1st and 2nd down.  Once you hit 3rd down, Taylor's offense is never going to keep Mixon on the field.

2 down backs dont command $12M when it comes to salary.  

Anyone who wants to keep Gio at $4.1 million salary in 2021, please never complain we don't pay guards enough. Gio is a back up RB who makes more than any starting guard on our roster. I like Gio, but I want the money used to fix the OL making Gio very expendable via trade or a cut if Gio refuses to restructure his deal like many other players are doing as they age and head into a tough cap year for teams.

What did Pats sign James White for in 2021? In my opinion, White is a good or better than Gio.

Mixon, not to slam him, asks to come out the game an awful lot if you notice. He's always waving someone in for him. He has every down back potential, but is clearly used to a rb by committee approach.

(03-26-2021, 09:41 AM)jj22 Wrote: Mixon, not to slam him, asks to come out the game an awful lot if you notice. He's always waving someone in for him. He has every down back potential, but is clearly used to a rb by committee approach.

You'd think in 4 years of being the focus RB he'd live up to the "potential" of being an every down back.  

Personally, I think in Taylor's offense it's more pass centric so if we were to trade Mixon and Gio that Taylor would be absolutely fine with Perrine and a rookie RB, because his offense doesnt rely on the running game.