(05-10-2021, 05:36 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Yep, Pat and the boys are right on all counts.  The main things holding this franchise back are a cheapskate front office and a questionable coaching staff.  Mostly, it’s the nepotistic front office and threadbare player personnel department. The only thing that has changed in 30 years is the coaching staff.  Only one coaching staff was successful.  Homers are gonna diss McAfee but the results under Mike Brown’s reign speak for themselves.

Your sig alone shows how accurate his statements are, and until the Bengals make a serious commitment to change. 

Tobin out, a real GM with real power in. 
An actual scouting department with scouts not more friends and family b.s. 
Coaches being held accountable and not being allowed to linger for years of futility.

If the Bengals won't commit to winning, why would anyone around the league take them seriously?

These much too early 2022 mocks are generally using Super Bowl odds to determine the order of their drafts. This team can be vastly improved over the last 2 seasons and still have low odds of winning the Super Bowl

(05-10-2021, 06:12 PM)Shouldamapads Wrote: Home
Baltimore Ravens- 0-1
Cleveland Browns- 0-2
Green Bay Packers- 0-3 (if Rodgers plays.. win if not)
Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
Kansas City Chiefs 1-4
Los Angeles Chargers 2-4
Minnesota Vikings 3-4
Pittsburgh Steelers 3-5
AWAY
Baltimore Ravens 3-6
Chicago Bears 4-6
Cleveland Browns 4-7
Denver Broncos 5-7
Detroit Lions 6-7
Las Vegas Raiders 7-7
New York Jets 8-7
Pittsburgh Steelers 8-8
San Fran 8-9

That's a complete upside view.  This team should win the games that I gave to them, but if they lose those, I do not see them beating the teams I picked them to lose against.  I think the talent is there, I just think they are a year away from 8-8 or better.  I do think they can win 6 though, so take the Vegas over.

Note this is not the order the games are played.  The toughest part of their season is the first 5 games, with the Bears being the weakest.  They have some of the weakest teams from last year, but MIN and GB, etc have traditionally been tough.

Do you think Jacksonville will be worse than Cincy this year? I honestly think they have the biggest turnaround in the NFL. They have a great leader, a good young QB. I think there's a chance they have a better record than the Bengals this year.  I think there coaching staff is much better than ours. Period 

(05-10-2021, 06:20 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Do you think Jacksonville will be worse than Cincy this year? I honestly think they have the biggest turnaround in the NFL. They have a great leader, a good young QB. I think there's a chance they have a better record than the Bengals this year.  I think there coaching staff is much better than ours. Period 

I think they will turn it around, but they are missing a lot.  Maybe I am wrong, but that's why they play the games.  

Again, I said this is the most upside scenario.  The games that I think they will lose, I don't think they have much of a chance.  The wins I picked could go either way.

(05-10-2021, 06:12 PM)Shouldamapads Wrote: That's a complete upside view.  This team should win the games that I gave to them, but if they lose those, I do not see them beating the teams I picked them to lose against.  I think the talent is there, I just think they are a year away from 8-8 or better.  I do think they can win 6 though, so take the Vegas over.

Note this is not the order the games are played.  The toughest part of their season is the first 5 games, with the Bears being the weakest.  They have some of the weakest teams from last year, but MIN and GB, etc have traditionally been ttough.i

lll give it a shot. This is my current projection.

Baltimore Ravens- 0-1

Cleveland Browns- 0-2
Green Bay Packers- 0-3 (if Rodgers plays.. win if not)
Jacksonville Jaguars 1-3
Kansas City Chiefs 1-4
Los Angeles Chargers 1-5
Minnesota Vikings 1-6
Pittsburgh Steelers 2-6
AWAY
Baltimore Ravens 2-7
Chicago Bears 3-7
Cleveland Browns 3-8
Denver Broncos 4-8
Detroit Lions 4-9
Las Vegas Raiders 4-10
New York Jets 5-10
Pittsburgh Steelers 5-11
San Fran 5-12

(05-10-2021, 06:16 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Your sig alone shows how accurate his statements are, and until the Bengals make a serious commitment to change. 

Tobin out, a real GM with real power in. 
An actual scouting department with scouts not more friends and family b.s. 
Coaches being held accountable and not being allowed to linger for years of futility.

If the Bengals won't commit to winning, why would anyone around the league take them seriously?

FWIW I see the current Bengals roster as a realistic 5-7 win team this year. The AFC North will be tough, and the o line still questionable. The defense should be a bit better, and will be helped if the offense can sustain some drives. If everything breaks right an 8-9 win season could happen, but 5 or 6 wins is more realistic with a 7 win cap. It’s going to take another offseason for this team to be a legitimate threat.

(05-10-2021, 06:31 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: FWIW I see the current Bengals roster as a realistic 5-7 win team this year.  The AFC North will be tough, and the o line still questionable.  The defense should be a bit better, and will be helped if the offense can sustain some drives.  If everything breaks right an 8-9 win season could happen, but 5 or 6 wins is more realistic with a 7 win cap.  It’s going to take another offseason for this team to be a legitimate threat.

I placed a couple bets at Hollywood Casino prior to the draft. Won money on the chase pick, and also bet the under which was sitting at 6.5 wins. 

I really think the team will be a 5 to 6 game winner. 6 games is a two game improvement, so Taylor shows more growth and gets to keep his job.

(05-10-2021, 05:12 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Hey its possible that the OC in KC wanted $2M more a year to come to Cincy than Zac did. 

Which one do you think Mike Brown and Katie are going to choose?  

Zac was held in high regards in the league.  He was a young QB coach of a Super Bowl winner.  

Hell i think every coach that's been on a Super Bowl staff is held in high regard at least until the following season lol 

I hope the Zac Taylor hire teaches a fan base that the grass isnt always greener on the other side of the field. 

Well, then he must have asked everyone for more money because he's still the OC in KC.

If they win 5 or fewer (5-12!) you absolutely let them go and start over. They've already sucked the bag for two straight years. They should be embarking on their Burrow honeymoon right now, while he's on his rookie deal and can be supported by high-grade talent at most positions, even if it needs to be purchased. Three years of suckage is an eternity in this league. I hate to be so curt but this idea of "baby steps" is a trap. Ain't no time for that nonsense. The window of opportunity in this league is short. If management feel they have multiple years to pull themselves up from being doormats, it just proves they're not the leaders you want.

Nobody's saying it'll be easy. But you don't want to become a farm team for the rest of the league. Everyone has the same goal: the Super Bowl. The most dangerous thing to do is to set the bar low and inspire a culture of complacency. I notice a lot of smirking around the Bengals, actually. That needs to stop. Failure is not success. They need to be deadly serious until they get where they're going. This here is not it.

Sorry to be preaching to the choir.

(05-10-2021, 05:12 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Hey its possible that the OC in KC wanted $2M more a year to come to Cincy than Zac did. 

Which one do you think Mike Brown and Katie are going to choose?  

Zac was held in high regards in the league.  He was a young QB coach of a Super Bowl winner.  

Hell i think every coach that's been on a Super Bowl staff is held in high regard at least until the following season lol 

I hope the Zac Taylor hire teaches a fan base that the grass isnt always greener on the other side of the field. 

Super Bowl LOSER, not winner.
In that Super Bowl, Goff was 19/38 (50%) for 229 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT.

(05-10-2021, 06:12 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: How is it drivel? How is it incorrect in any way shape or form?

He literally said at the very end the most factual statement about the Bengals organization. A statement you have heard from player after player that has left Cincinnati.

"Ownership down is not trying to win. If you're trying to win you're operating much differently then if you're just trying to get by so you can continue to make money."

I get it, fans want to believe that isn't true... but since 1991 what have you seen to show you it isn't true? Meanwhile, you can write an endless list of reasons that it is 100% accurate.

I think that thought process is correct for much of that time frame. But the last two years that hasn’t been the case.

(05-10-2021, 07:19 PM)Waite Hoyt Wrote: I think that thought process is correct for much of that time frame. But the last two years that hasn’t been the case.

The last two years is the worst two year span in franchise history (tied with '93-94).

(05-10-2021, 06:12 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: How is it drivel? How is it incorrect in any way shape or form?

He literally said at the very end the most factual statement about the Bengals organization. A statement you have heard from player after player that has left Cincinnati.

"Ownership down is not trying to win. If you're trying to win you're operating much differently then if you're just trying to get by so you can continue to make money."

I get it, fans want to believe that isn't true... but since 1991 what have you seen to show you it isn't true? Meanwhile, you can write an endless list of reasons that it is 100% accurate.

But but but every so often you hear someone talk about how Mike Brown really does want to win! 

It's usually between all the former players talking about how cheap the franchise is or how it's run like shit.

(05-10-2021, 05:10 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Lets hope not because they wont improve if they're drafting in the 11-20 range.  

This team barely can draft well in the 1-5 range let along 11-20. 

Btw if anyone hasnt seen the Pat McAfee clip today on the AFC North it's well worth checking out. 

Even as a Bengals fan, it's complete honesty and how Cincinnati football is viewed outside the lenses of the orange and black glasses.  

https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1391801343392821249

Actually the Bengals have drafted really well when picking in the Top 5.
2001 - Justin Smith
2003 - Carson Palmer
2011 - AJ Green
2020 - Joe Burrow
2021 - Ja'Marr Chase

They seem to get worse the later in the 1st round they pick.
Probably because they start thinking too much and also less guarantee of who will be available.

predicted in the top 5 and already linked to another OL prospect..

https://stripehype.com/2021/05/09/cincinnati-bengals-alabama-mock/?fbclid=IwAR3QReLAih8hYPTQSaot-gaG8xDXWmqubtliCN0YfXDBx4gPQFpEPKEy5ng

Quote:It’s no surprise that the Bengals continue to be linked with offensive linemen. That’s despite them taking Clemson’s Jackson Carman in the second round of the annual selection meeting. Cincy’s staff has been bullish about Carman post-draft but it’s clear that they have him penciled in as the long-term answer at one of the guard spots.

Make no mistake. The Cincinnati Bengals are comfortable with their current options at tackle. While the signing of Riley Reiff was a mere blip on the national media’s radar, Zac Taylor and company clearly feel the experienced tackle will be a much-needed upgrade on the right-hand side. The concern with Reiff is that he is only on a one-year deal, meaning the Bengals likely have to address the position again next offseason.

(05-10-2021, 07:26 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: The last two years is the worst two year span in franchise history (tied with '93-94).

BUT THE VISION! AND THE CULTURE!!! 

(05-10-2021, 07:30 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: But but but every so often you hear someone talk about how Mike Brown really does want to win! 

It's usually between all the former players talking about how cheap the franchise is or how it's run like shit.

I think Mike wants to win, but he only wants to win if he can do it his way. That means his scouting people, his family and friends program for hiring and drafting who he wants when he wants.

To really commit to being a championship team would require doing things he is unwilling to do as has been shown by his record since he took over.

It would be impressive if it wasn't just so damn sad.

I am not optimistic about next season. Hope I am wrong.

A good season would be:
1) Joe comes back healthy.
2) Chase is as advertised.
3) Pollack & Co deliver competent OL play.


The pessimist in me would add:
1) ZT gets fired
2) Lou gets fired
3) We hire a real GM
4) We hire actual scouts

(05-10-2021, 05:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Fans asked for a good offensive-minded HC, not for Taylor specifically.
That's like a giving a kid Circus Peanuts candy and telling them, "Hey, you said you wanted candy!" when they cry about it.
They didn't want any damn Circus Peanuts, they wanted good candy!

Hell, we don't even get circus peanuts..we get the trash at the bottom of the trick or treat bag from 50 years ago when some schmuck would drop a handful of loose popcorn in your bag.. BTW..That WAS a thing back then. Ask any of us old guys from back then.. lol

(05-10-2021, 07:42 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I think Mike wants to win, but he only wants to win if he can do it his way. That means his scouting people, his family and friends program for hiring and drafting who he wants when he wants.

To really commit to being a championship team would require doing things he is unwilling to do as has been shown by his record since he took over.

It would be impressive if it wasn't just so damn sad.

When people refer to the Bengals as a mom and pop organization, they dont mean that in a complimentary way!