The Bears Dline can get after it. They'll be a test for what was a shaky start for our pass pro. Winnable game overall. But don't sleep on the Bears defense.

Dalton was moving the ball well on Sunday night too. They racked up a lot of yards. Montgomery is a beast. Their offense is similar to Minnesota, although their wideouts aren't as good, and their QB is more prone to making mistakes when pressured. Overall its a similar team and we should win if we improve on our play from week 1. But if we put out a similar performance and don't improve/get our weaknesses exposed, I could see the Bears pulling out a W at home. Need to play better. I think we can/hope we can.

(09-14-2021, 12:37 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: They would have been 5-11 at best if in the AFC North

Nagy went 12-4 his first year as a HC with Mitch Trubisky as his QB. ZT went 2-14 with Andy Dalton.  Hard to believe the divisions are that different for that to be negligible. 

(09-14-2021, 01:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Nagy went 12-4 his first year as a HC with Mitch Trubisky as his QB. ZT went 2-14 with Andy Dalton.  Hard to believe the divisions are that different for that to be negligible. 

Two victories against Playoff teams.

Here is the schedule that gave them the other 10:

Vikes (twice) 8-7-1
Lions (twice) 6-10
Packers (twice) 6-9-1
Cards 3-13
Bucs 5-11
Jets 4-12
Bills 6-10
49ers 4-12

Not very impressive schedule is it?  And let's be honest....Nagy inherited a top 10 defense, and was able to get most of the assistants to stay.  ZT inherited a steaming pile of crap and had to build a whole new coaching staff.

 

(09-13-2021, 09:37 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I hope that Nagy doesn't overreact to their loss and start Fields. I'd much rather face Dalton.

I'd rather face Dalton, too, but not because hE sUcKs, but because we know him and his tendencies. Not so much with the rook.

(09-14-2021, 08:41 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I heard on one of the NFL shows that it had been two years since Dalvin Cook was held under NINETY yards rushing in a game.  He had 61 against the Bengals, including one 17 yard run.  So, he had 44 yards on 20 carries outside of that. 

Held to under 90 yards when he had 20 attempts or more.  But even that is a little off as he had 21 attempts Nov 3 2019 and 71 yards. He had 5 sub 90 yard games last year all with less than 20 attempts:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookDa01/gamelog/2020/

But the Bengals also did hold him to 3.05 yards per attempt which is very decent considering how good he is and it was his lowest Y/A since December 2019.

(09-14-2021, 03:37 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Two victories against Playoff teams.

Here is the schedule that gave them the other 10:

Vikes (twice) 8-7-1
Lions (twice) 6-10
Packers (twice) 6-9-1
Cards 3-13
Bucs 5-11
Jets 4-12
Bills 6-10
49ers 4-12

Not very impressive schedule is it?  And let's be honest....Nagy inherited a top 10 defense, and was able to get most of the assistants to stay.  ZT inherited a steaming pile of crap and had to build a whole new coaching staff.

These arguments could be held against the "impressiveness" of the 2011 Bengals, as well.  At any rate, Nagy had 10 more wins than ZT...you can come up with all sorts of reasons why 2-14 is as good or better than 12-4 but I'm not seeing it.  The Bears were 5-11 when Nagy took over and they went 12-4 his first year.  ZT took over a 6-10 Bengals team and went 2-14.

Nagy > ZT

We won 1 game so far this year, let's not go overboard here.

(09-14-2021, 03:37 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Two victories against Playoff teams.

Here is the schedule that gave them the other 10:

Vikes (twice) 8-7-1
Lions (twice) 6-10
Packers (twice) 6-9-1
Cards 3-13
Bucs 5-11
Jets 4-12
Bills 6-10
49ers 4-12

Not very impressive schedule is it?  And let's be honest....Nagy inherited a top 10 defense, and was able to get most of the assistants to stay.  ZT inherited a steaming pile of crap and had to build a whole new coaching staff.

 

So... as many victories against playoff teams as Zac Taylor had in a total 16 game season versus all teams? Yes, by all means, belittle that.

Bears before Nagy: 5-11
Bengals before Taylor: 6-10

Nagy must be really lucky he managed to luck into that 12 victory team and Coach of the Year award while Taylor had to strive for excellence for his 2 wins.


....what are we even doing here? It took Zac Taylor 2 years just to get 6 total wins, or half of the "unimpressive" 12.

(09-14-2021, 01:03 PM)Huckleberry Wrote: Bear fan checking in, in peace.

The Bears, oh man, so many  problems with this team.  Shocked the run game got off against the Rams.  The Bears OL is definitely  a weak spot.  They are down to Plan D at LT.  Whoever will be playing LT   will be a stiff.  The RT, not much better.  The interior OL at this point is pretty solid.

The game plan against LA was pretty simple, establish the run the PA off that.  The reason for quick releases by Dalton, outside of the rush, the Rams play cover 2 and were not going to let anything behind them.  The short stuff was there all game and Nagy took it.

Nagy talked all summer about the speed at WR, but would not even take a shot downfield.  That has to happen no matter what.  Nagy is pretty weak.  He is more worried about being cute than being consistent.  Montgomery should be the focus even though Cincy D will be stacking up to stop him.  Nags will abandon the run quicker than you think.

Bears D, was putrid.  Eddie Jackson has become an overpaid, marshmallow.  He doesn't lay the wood and he just doesn't seem to care.  He got paid.  The corners are weak and poor.

The DL, there is some talent there but........they are also paid.  Mack has underachieved for a year now and he didn't do squat Sunday night.  Quinn, worthless, overpaid, tripped into half a sack.  Hicks is dominant when he wants and Nichols is coming on.

Fields will see some action but not consistently.  Bears O doesn't score enough to scare anyone.  I see Bengals 27 - Bears  17.

Good day people.

Thanks for visiting.  It's always nice to get other fans' perspective.  Unless they are Steelers fans.

(09-14-2021, 01:03 PM)Huckleberry Wrote: Bear fan checking in, in peace.

The Bears, oh man, so many  problems with this team.  Shocked the run game got off against the Rams.  The Bears OL is definitely  a weak spot.  They are down to Plan D at LT.  Whoever will be playing LT   will be a stiff.  The RT, not much better.  The interior OL at this point is pretty solid.

The game plan against LA was pretty simple, establish the run the PA off that.  The reason for quick releases by Dalton, outside of the rush, the Rams play cover 2 and were not going to let anything behind them.  The short stuff was there all game and Nagy took it.

Nagy talked all summer about the speed at WR, but would not even take a shot downfield.  That has to happen no matter what.  Nagy is pretty weak.  He is more worried about being cute than being consistent.  Montgomery should be the focus even though Cincy D will be stacking up to stop him.  Nags will abandon the run quicker than you think.

Bears D, was putrid.  Eddie Jackson has become an overpaid, marshmallow.  He doesn't lay the wood and he just doesn't seem to care.  He got paid.  The corners are weak and poor.

The DL, there is some talent there but........they are also paid.  Mack has underachieved for a year now and he didn't do squat Sunday night.  Quinn, worthless, overpaid, tripped into half a sack.  Hicks is dominant when he wants and Nichols is coming on.

Fields will see some action but not consistently.  Bears O doesn't score enough to scare anyone.  I see Bengals 27 - Bears  17.

Good day people.

Well let's see..... I guess since it's the Left Tackle that stiff is going to get a huge dose of Hendrickson.   Oh man....  If they quit holding him, he may get to 13 sacks by mid season...

(09-14-2021, 04:34 PM)Nately120 Wrote: These arguments could be held against the "impressiveness" of the 2011 Bengals, as well.  At any rate, Nagy had 10 more wins than ZT...you can come up with all sorts of reasons why 2-14 is as good or better than 12-4 but I'm not seeing it.  The Bears were 5-11 when Nagy took over and they went 12-4 his first year.  ZT took over a 6-10 Bengals team and went 2-14.

Nagy > ZT

We won 1 game so far this year, let's not go overboard here.

I am not saying ZT is better than Nagy, but that Nagy might be a bit overvalued given that first year.  

(09-14-2021, 04:55 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: So... as many victories against playoff teams as Zac Taylor had in a total 16 game season versus all teams? Yes, by all means, belittle that.

Bears before Nagy: 5-11
Bengals before Taylor: 6-10

Nagy must be really lucky he managed to luck into that 12 victory team and Coach of the Year award while Taylor had to strive for excellence for his 2 wins.


....what are we even doing here? It took Zac Taylor 2 years just to get 6 total wins, or half of the "unimpressive" 12.

Nagy had a top 10 defense and a much stronger roster, in a weaker division than ZT.  We will see how ZT does now that he has a roster that he wanted.  

Not saying he is better...this started because someone commented about how Nagy had a 12-4 season and I showed who they beat and pointed out that it is nothing like the AFC North this past two years. 

Mandy didnt have one completion for over 9 yards in the air.

He is a gift to the Bengals. We should win by 14+

Heres a Bears podcast team's take on the game.

https://youtu.be/pG8-0fAsVy8

(09-14-2021, 04:55 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It took Zac Taylor 2 years just to get 6 total wins, or half of the "unimpressive" 12.

Ahem, that's 6.5 wins and MORE than half of 12.

(09-14-2021, 08:26 PM)KingOfQueens Wrote: Mandy didnt have one completion for over 9 yards in the air.

He is a gift to the Bengals.  We should win by 14+

Never underestimate a player playing against their former team especially if they feel they were wronged...

That being said on Paper we should be able to pull this one out if we play with the discipline we did this past sunday.

Nagy’s game plan was quick short passes to cover for the deficiencies on the OL.