(10-27-2021, 11:47 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Since we can't glean too much from his NFL time, looking at his college numbers, he was part of a decent offense at Western Kentrucky, with a good completion% and horrible rushing stats.

So he may not be a turnover machine (though he threw 2 picks in 3 quarters, on Sunday), but he looks like a classic pocket/statue guy, like Flacco (lol) and with Becton out, plus Moses (a RT) at LT, I cannot see us not rush him to death on the edge and disrupt things.

Lafleur can call a phenomenal game to negate it, but I definitely think we can disrupt enough, to throw White off his game (no pun intended).

As I mentioned yesterday in another thread, they get great pressure from their interior, so Carman/Hill/Hopkins/Spain all need to be on their A game and then I think our offense can flourish.

Fingers crossed we take care of business and get Brandon Allen to take some snaps again.

Wait a minute, you're telling they are putting a Right Tackle at Left Tackle to deal with Hendrickson???

(10-28-2021, 08:19 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Wait a minute, you're telling they are putting a Right Tackle at Left Tackle to deal with Hendrickson???

Moses was a RT for his entire time at Washington and he is known as a plodder and great run blocker, but too slow to handle speed guys, especially at LT.

When Becton went down in week 1, Moses has been the LT since.

(10-28-2021, 09:54 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Moses was a RT for his entire time at Washington and he is known as a plodder and great run blocker, but too slow to handle speed guys, especially at LT.

When Becton went down in week 1, Moses has been the LT since.

Hendrickson is gonna get held more than a newborn baby 

(10-27-2021, 11:56 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: People forgot about our history with scrub qbs?

This isn't even CLOSE to the same team or coaching staff... you can throw that "history" out the window.

(10-28-2021, 10:10 AM)Tomkat Wrote: This isn't even CLOSE to the same team or coaching staff... you can throw that "history" out the window.

Yep. Time to let old narratives die. It would be like saying we can’t ever beat the Steelers.

(10-28-2021, 10:10 AM)Tomkat Wrote: This isn't even CLOSE to the same team or coaching staff... you can throw that "history" out the window.

Yeah those old tendencies are long gone except in the minds of the fanbase. I suffer from it as well. 

(10-28-2021, 10:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: ...It would be like saying we can’t ever beat the Steelers.

Yep.  We've now beaten them twice consecutively, by more than one score... whoda thunk it?

(10-28-2021, 10:22 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Yep. Time to let old narratives die. It would be like saying we can’t ever beat the Steelers.

Everyone needs to take a note from Emo Vader, I mean Kylo Ren.

Seems to me one area the Bengals aren't excelling in is a positive turnover ratio. It'd be great to have White provide a few interceptions!

(10-28-2021, 08:02 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This isn't Marvin's teams that did that....

Our game against Chicago this year tho

I mean, I suppose it doesn't matter what we do as fans, but I hope the team doesn't take this lightly. It is an away game. They know we are leading the conference. They are going to be up for this and preparing hard this week. 

We absolutely do have an opportunity for the pass rushers to improve their stats. Everyone needs to play clean too because you know our luck with the refs won't last. 

(10-28-2021, 11:50 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Our game against Chicago this year tho

I mean, I suppose it doesn't matter what we do as fans, but I hope the team doesn't take this lightly. It is an away game. They know we are leading the conference. They are going to be up for this and preparing hard this week. 

We absolutely do have an opportunity for the pass rushers to improve their stats. Everyone needs to play clean too because you know our luck with the refs won't last. 

What about our game against Chicago? Dalton and the Bears defense beat us, not Justin Fields.

Fields stat line for that game;

6-13 60 yards 0 TD 1 INT 27.7 passer rating

(10-27-2021, 11:56 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: People forgot about our history with scrub qbs?

(10-28-2021, 08:02 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: This isn't Marvin's teams that did that....

This is where people are ridiculous.

A rookie QB has *1* good game against us, like 20 years ago and all of a sudden, "wE cAn'T sToP rOoKiE qBs!"

We have had bad games agianst rookies, but many more good ones (and some average):

Name|Team|Completions|Attempts|Yards|TDs|INTs|SK|Long|Rating|Rush Attempts|Rush Yards|TDs|Long|

David Carr HOU 18 32 199 0 2 2 13 26 48.8 2 9 0 5 | 38-3 loss in 2002
Kyle Boller BAL 15 27 302 2 1 3 21 73 104.2 4 8 0 5 | 34-26 loss in 2003
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 17 25 174 1 0 1 6 30 101.1 4 2 0 3 | 28-17 win in 2004
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 15 21 138 1 0 7 54 26 104.9 9 16 0 4 | 19-14 win in 2004
Eli Manning NYG 19 37 201 0 1 2 17 27 56.3 0 0 0 | 23-22 loss in 2004
Kyle Orton CHI 17 39 149 0 5 0 0 23 14.7 1 0 0 0 | 24-7 loss in 2005
Charlie Frye CLE 16 24 138 1 1 2 14 17 78.1 4 14 1 7 | 23-20 loss in 2005
Bruce Gradkowski TAM 25 44 184 2 1 2 10 18 72.5 4 19 0 7 | 14-13 win in 2006
Jay Cutler DEN 12 23 179 2 1 3 19 39 88.9 2 -1 0 | 24-23 win in 2006
Brock Berlin STL 17 28 153 0 1 0 0 23 60.6 3 -16 0 0 | 19-10 loss in 2007
Joe Flacco BAL 15 29 129 0 0 0 0 15 63.7 4 37 1 38 | 17-10 win in 2008
Joe Flacco BAL 19 29 280 2 0 2 8 70 119.9 3 15 0 11 | 34-3 win in 2008
Matthew Stafford DET 11 26 143 1 2 3 27 54 41.0 3 -2 0 4 | 23-13 loss in 2009
Mark Sanchez NYJ 8 16 63 0 0 0 0 14 60.2 2 2 0 1 | 37-0 win in 2009
Jimmy Clausen CAR 16 33 188 0 1 1 8 44 53.6 6 10 0 5 | 20-7 loss in 2010
Colt McCoy CLE 19 25 243 2 0 4 24 46 132.6 0 0 0 | 19-17 loss in 2010
Blaine Gabbert JAX 15 28 221 1 0 3 21 74 91.5 5 11 0 6 | 30-20 loss in 2011
T.J. Yates HOU 26 44 300 2 1 5 32 27 85.4 5 36 0 17 | 20-19 win in 2011
John Skelton ARI 23 44 297 2 3 5 40 39 60.5 4 6 0 4 | 23-16 loss in 2011
Brandon Weeden CLE 26 37 322 2 0 2 13 27 114.9 2 6 0 4 | 34-27 loss in 2012
Robert Griffin III WAS 21 34 221 1 0 5 42 29 90.4 13 74 1 19 | 38-31 loss in 2012
Ryan Tannehill MIA 17 26 223 0 0 2 12 30 92.3 4 -4 0 -1 17-13 | win in 2012
Brandon Weeden CLE 17 29 231 2 1 2 13 71 92.7 3 3 0 2 34-24 | win in 2012
Nick Foles PHI 16 33 180 1 1 1 3 46 62.7 2 5 0 5 | 34-13 loss in 2012
Geno Smith NYJ 20 30 159 0 2 3 28 26 51.9 2 8 0 5 | 49-9 loss in 2013
Blake Bortles JAX 22 33 247 2 1 2 14 40 96.4 4 10 0 5 33-23 | loss in 2014
Johnny Manziel CLE 10 18 80 0 2 3 26 32 27.3 5 13 0 10 30-0 | loss in 2014
Dak Prescott DAL 18 24 227 1 0 1 5 31 117.9 7 4 1 5 28-14 | win in 2016
Kevin Hogan CLE 12 24 100 0 2 2 10 17 26.4 7 104 1 28 | 31-17 loss in 2016
Carson Wentz PHI 36 60 308 1 3 1 2 41 58.2 3 16 0 10 | 32-14 loss in 2016
Deshaun Watson HOU 15 24 125 0 0 3 27 25 75.9 5 67 1 | 13-9 win in 2017
DeShone Kizer CLE 16 34 118 0 1 1 7 26 43.5 5 10 0 | 31-7 loss in 2017
DeShone Kizer CLE 18 31 268 0 0 3 23 44 86.5 9 39 1 | 30-16 loss in 2017
Mitchell Trubisky CHI 25 32 271 1 0 2 21 36 112.4 2 5 1 | 33-7 win in 2017
Lamar Jackson BAL 13 19 150 0 1 3 14 23 70.1 26 119 0 | 24-21 win in 2018
Baker Mayfield CLE 19 26 258 4 0 0 0 24 143.9 4 -4 0 | 35-20 win in 2018
Baker Mayfield CLE 27 37 284 3 0 0 0 66 121.9 6 16 0 | 26-18 win in 2018
Kyler Murray ARI 20 32 253 0 0 1 5 28 87.1 10 93 1 24 | 26-23 win in 2019
Gardner Minshew II JAX 15 32 255 1 0 2 11 47 84.8 9 48 0 20 | 27-17 win in 2019
Mason Rudolph PIT 24 28 229 2 0 0 0 43 124.6 3 -3 0 -1 | 27-3 win in 2019
Mason Rudolph PIT 8 16 85 0 1 1 13 35 39.8 4 4 0 2 | 16-10 win in 2019
Tua Tagovailoa MIA 26 39 296 1 0 0 0 35 97.8 3 3 0 4 | 19-7 win in 2020
Trevor Lawrence JAX 17 24 204 0 0 1 2 52 96.5 8 36 1 11 | 24-21 loss in 2021

So overall, in the past 20 years against rookie starters:

- 22-21 record and before 2018, we were 21-13, so really, the only bad stretch has been in the past 3 years. But we've also faced much-better rookies, in the past 3 years (save for Rudolph and Tua)
- 79.2 average QB rating given up, with a high of 143.9 (Hayseed), a low of 14.7 (Orton) and a median of 86.5. So basically, the average rookie QB has performed like Carsone (87.9 career QB Rating) or Andy (87.5 career QB Rating).
- Given that this is a team sport, Flacco (1), Lamar (1), Rudolph (1), Sanchez and Gradkowski, all won due to their team and not because of their own performance (ESPECIALLY in the latter 2 cases; played backups against the Jets and the refs screwed up against the Bucs).

So yes, not only should we let the old narrative die, but we should also discredit it completely, as neither Carsone nor Andy will be making any HoF, anytime soon.

EDIT**and if we want to go the, "scrub," route, then that narrative is blatantly-false, as we have a significantly-better record against scrubs than what is, "common knowledge," around these parts (I went through essentially every game since 2002, in compiling this data and we beat RGIII with 1 leg, Austin Davis, Kellen Clemens, Thad Lewis, EJ Manuel, Manziel {again}, Colt McCoy {again}, Brady Quinn, etc. We never lost to ANY of those guys, save for maybe Tom Savage in 2016).

(10-28-2021, 11:50 AM)BoomerFan Wrote: Our game against Chicago this year tho

I mean, I suppose it doesn't matter what we do as fans, but I hope the team doesn't take this lightly. It is an away game. They know we are leading the conference. They are going to be up for this and preparing hard this week. 

We absolutely do have an opportunity for the pass rushers to improve their stats. Everyone needs to play clean too because you know our luck with the refs won't last. 

Apples and oranges.  They were keeping Burrow very protected, and running in to a wall (while running more than passing).  I don't blame the coaches for being tentative based on the Burrow we are seeing now. 

(10-27-2021, 09:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So is it Sam or Mike?

(10-27-2021, 09:49 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Will

I don't think it's any.  I think they go straight prevent defense all game! 

How mad are you right now if you're Cam Newton?

(10-27-2021, 11:47 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Since we can't glean too much from his NFL time, looking at his college numbers, he was part of a decent offense at Western Kentrucky, with a good completion% and horrible rushing stats.

So he may not be a turnover machine (though he threw 2 picks in 3 quarters, on Sunday), but he looks like a classic pocket/statue guy, like Flacco (lol) and with Becton out, plus Moses (a RT) at LT, I cannot see us not rush him to death on the edge and disrupt things.

Lafleur can call a phenomenal game to negate it, but I definitely think we can disrupt enough, to throw White off his game (no pun intended).

As I mentioned yesterday in another thread, they get great pressure from their interior, so Carman/Hill/Hopkins/Spain all need to be on their A game and then I think our offense can flourish.

Fingers crossed we take care of business and get Brandon Allen to take some snaps again.

Thanks Truck, damn been asking this question all week and nobody has said a word. This Jack White guy is a pocket passer...

(10-28-2021, 06:49 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks Truck, damn been asking this question all week and nobody has said a word. This Jack White guy is a pocket passer...

(10-28-2021, 07:05 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote:

Rocker caught it no surprise lol

(10-28-2021, 11:12 AM)MTBengalsFan Wrote: Seems to me one area the Bengals aren't excelling in is a positive turnover ratio. It'd be great to have White provide a few interceptions!

Yeah I'd like our secondary to get some picks. I think they only have one on the season. Unless I'm forgetting some.

(10-28-2021, 06:49 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Thanks Truck, damn been asking this question all week and nobody has said a word. This Jack White guy is a pocket passer...

No problemo

Andrew the Bengals PFF guy (or whatever his name is), basically said the same thing this afternoon.

Fingers crossed