(01-20-2022, 10:45 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Their top contracts are Hendrickson, Reader, Mixon, Boyd, Waynes, Hubbard, Burrow, Chase, Hilton, Awuzie, Hopkins and Bell all above 6 million per year. With the exception of Waynes, I feel like every single one of these contracts are good ones.

Might be unpopular with some, but I will say it anyway. The Mixon contract is bad. It's not even entirely just a matter of Talent vs $, it's a matter of this team having no need for the 7th highest paid RB in the league.

The Bengals had the... 
19th most rushing attempts
23rd most rushing yards
26th most rushing YPC 

Just seems to be an awful lot of money to commit to a very replaceable position on a team that isn't a good running team.

The last 4 games that Joe Mixon played (including postseason) the Bengals are 4-0... but Joe Mixon rushed 64 times for 217 yards (3.24 YPC) and 1 TD... yet they're still 4-0 against Denver, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Las Vegas. They don't need him to win and can win even when he's consistently doing very very poorly.

So in that context, I do think that paying a guy to be the 7th highest paid RB is a bad contract.

(01-20-2022, 11:05 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Everyone hates on Waynes, but it's not his fault or the Bengals fault that he's been injured over the past few years. I'm sure he's just as frustrated as all of us. These things just happen sometimes. 

He's fully healthy right now and he's still a backup.

The 9th highest paid CB in the league can't even break into the starting lineup.

(01-20-2022, 07:31 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Might be unpopular with some, but I will say it anyway. The Mixon contract is bad. It's not even entirely just a matter of Talent vs $, it's a matter of this team having no need for the 7th highest paid RB in the league.

The Bengals had the... 
19th most rushing attempts
23rd most rushing yards
26th most rushing YPC 

Just seems to be an awful lot of money to commit to a very replaceable position on a team that isn't a good running team.

The last 4 games that Joe Mixon played (including postseason) the Bengals are 4-0... but Joe Mixon rushed 64 times for 217 yards (3.24 YPC) and 1 TD... yet they're still 4-0 against Denver, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Las Vegas. They don't need him to win and can win even when he's consistently doing very very poorly.

So in that context, I do think that paying a guy to be the 7th highest paid RB is a bad contract.

Mixon's contract is a tough one. He has taken over some games and he's been completely ineffective in others. Running backs are an inherently dependent position. If you have a bad Oline, your RB will be bad regardless of their talent level. And, it kind of works in reverse too. If you have a good Oline, your RB can usually be successful regardless of talent level. I honestly expected Mixon to be under 1000 yards this season because of the Oline. I credit him for being able to get the 3rd most rushing yards in the NFL behind this line. 

If we can sure up RT and RG, I think we could actually have some of those Mixon take over games. He has the talent to play like Nick Chubb in Cleveland, where you get a lead and can legitimately just waste the rest of the game, if you want to. And, if we fix the Oline, running and 1st and 2nd down when you need a first down may actually be a good idea, rather than a waste of two downs like it was against the Raiders haha.

With that said, if I had to pick out a "bad contract" of that bunch, Mixon would be it just because of that inherent dependability on another position group in order to make an impact.

(01-20-2022, 07:48 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Mixon's contract is a tough one. He has taken over some games and he's been completely ineffective in others. Running backs are an inherently dependent position. If you have a bad Oline, your RB will be bad regardless of their talent level. And, it kind of works in reverse too. If you have a good Oline, your RB can usually be successful regardless of talent level. I honestly expected Mixon to be under 1000 yards this season because of the Oline. I credit him for being able to get the 3rd most rushing yards in the NFL behind this line. 

If we can sure up RT and RG, I think we could actually have some of those Mixon take over games. He has the talent to play like Nick Chubb in Cleveland, where you get a lead and can legitimately just waste the rest of the game, if you want to. And, if we fix the Oline, running and 1st and 2nd down when you need a first down may actually be a good idea, rather than a waste of two downs like it was against the Raiders haha.

With that said, if I had to pick out a "bad contract" of that bunch, Mixon would be it just because of that inherent dependability on another position group in order to make an impact.

He did it with the 3rd most carries in the NFL. It's not like he created anything extra than expected from his workload. He was .2 YPC below league average (which might include kneel downs?), he just had the benefit of a QB with WRs that could keep scoring, allowing him to keep grinding out carries in games where he wasn't producing. He did have a couple real good games, but it was mostly just accumulation through bulk subpar numbers.

I don't think he does. Nick Chubb has never had a season below 5.0 YPC and has a career 5.3 YPC. Joe Mixon has never had a season of 5.0 YPC and has a career 4.1 YPC.

I know there's an OL difference between the two, but there has also been a receiving weapon difference between the two to draw guys out of the box. 1.2 YPC between careers is an ENORMOUS difference in productivity that can't just be handwaved away with OL alone. That's the career difference between Cedric Benson and Barry Sanders.

(01-20-2022, 08:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He did it with the 3rd most carries in the NFL. It's not like he created anything extra than expected from his workload. He was .2 YPC below league average (which might include kneel downs?), he just had the benefit of a QB with WRs that could keep scoring, allowing him to keep grinding out carries in games where he wasn't producing. He did have a couple real good games, but it was mostly just accumulation through bulk subpar numbers.

I don't think he does. Nick Chubb has never had a season below 5.0 YPC and has a career 5.3 YPC. Joe Mixon has never had a season of 5.0 YPC and has a career 4.1 YPC.

I know there's an OL difference between the two, but there has also been a receiving weapon difference between the two to draw guys out of the box. 1.2 YPC between careers is an ENORMOUS difference in productivity that can't just be handwaved away with OL alone. That's the career difference between Cedric Benson and Barry Sanders.

I don't really feel strongly enough about Mixon to disagree too much. He has been a fine player, but nothing special. I wonder what he'd produce if he was given Chubb's line, but hypotheticals do us no good. All I know is, even if he's overpaid, he isn't a waste of money. He is a high carry back who can occasionally break a big run and he gets the tough yards (like the 1 yard that he got against the Raiders on 4th and 1 despite 3 guys waiting for him in the backfield.)

Could we do better? Sure. Would that money probably be spent better elsewhere? Probably. Could he be replaced by a talented 2nd rounder like Javonte Williams at a fraction of the cost? Most likely, yea.

But when I think of a "bad contract," I think more along the lines of a guy who is underperforming, not someone who's positional value is hard to justify his contract. Otherwise, Reader's contract would be a tough sell as well, since Nose Tackles are traditionally considered not positionally valuable.

I can see what some of you are saying w Mixon. But I have wanted the use distribution to be mixed up a bit differently, rather than how they have been using Perine like a pass catching specialist and Mixon like a 2 down pounder. It’s come across as predicable and confusing at times. And it’s not like Perine hasn’t had snaffus w blocking assignments on 3rd down at times either.

Mixon did lead the team in total TD’s with 16. I won’t argue too much with anyone that thinks that money could have been spent more wisely, but he was a pretty important piece this year.

(01-20-2022, 07:31 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Might be unpopular with some, but I will say it anyway. The Mixon contract is bad. It's not even entirely just a matter of Talent vs $, it's a matter of this team having no need for the 7th highest paid RB in the league.

The Bengals had the... 
19th most rushing attempts
23rd most rushing yards
26th most rushing YPC 

Just seems to be an awful lot of money to commit to a very replaceable position on a team that isn't a good running team.

The last 4 games that Joe Mixon played (including postseason) the Bengals are 4-0... but Joe Mixon rushed 64 times for 217 yards (3.24 YPC) and 1 TD... yet they're still 4-0 against Denver, Baltimore, Kansas City, and Las Vegas. They don't need him to win and can win even when he's consistently doing very very poorly.

So in that context, I do think that paying a guy to be the 7th highest paid RB is a bad contract.


He's fully healthy right now and he's still a backup.

The 9th highest paid CB in the league can't even break into the starting lineup.

I really think a lot of Mixon's struggles are the the blocking. I think he's play will improve along with the offensive line.

Every time Mixon carries the ball, Burrow is less likely to get hit. He also produces and has taken over games, at points. Got to pay money for that.

Waynes is a mess. Bad contract and it was even worse when he kept getting hurt. Have a number of great pick-ups, though. Win some, lose some.

(01-20-2022, 08:43 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Mixon did lead the team in total TD’s with 16. I won’t argue too much with anyone that thinks that money could have been spent more wisely, but he was a pretty important piece this year.

Agreed, and he's been productive catching passes too.