(03-14-2022, 04:04 PM)phil413 Wrote: In light of some of these deals, they can still fit 10M for a heck of a RT and still draft a corner if they are amond bpa in the 1st.  Hopefully they can get Collins for a 3rd.

Adding Collins would be unreal... we go BPA almost every round in the draft.  

Hope to find something out about this situation later tonight... i'll post if i do.

(03-14-2022, 03:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Where we now after signing Karras, Cappa, and Hill?

Any good guesses on this?

I'll take a stab at BJ Hill as to best case scenario for this year.

"Bengals are re-signing DT BJ Hill to a 3-year, $30 million deal including $15M in year one" Sheftner


15M signing bonus prorated = 5M per year

Balance is 15M over 2 years = 7.5 per year (keep it easy)

If we structure BJ like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 5M
Y2 12.5M
Y3 12.5

Maybe?

(03-14-2022, 04:20 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Any good guesses on this?

We likely won't know for sure until Wednesday, when official details get released.

However, until the team releases Waynes and Hopkins as expected, they should be close to capped out.

(03-14-2022, 04:29 PM)casear2727 Wrote: I'll take a stab at BJ Hill as to best case scenario for this year.

"Bengals are re-signing DT BJ Hill to a 3-year, $30 million deal including $15M in year one" Sheftner


15M signing bonus prorated = 5M per year

Balance is 15M over 2 years = 7.5 per year (keep it easy)

If we structure BJ like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 5M
Y2 12.5M
Y3 12.5

Maybe?

My guess is they pull money forward to keep it out of Y3 because of Burrow and others.

If we wanted a very low cap hit this year these 3 be a combined cap hit of only 10.5M
Yr 2. 32.5
Yr 3. 32.5
yr 4. 12.5



Karras 18M, 3 yrs

9M signing bonus prorated = 3M per year


Balance is 9M over 2 years = 4.5 per year (keep it easy)

If we structure like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 3M
Y2 7.5M. (4.5 + 3)
Y3 7.5


Cappa 40M, 4yrs

10M signing bonus prorated = 2.5M per year


Balance is 30M over 3 years = 10M year (keep it easy)

If we structure like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 2.5M
Y2 12.5M (10 + 2.5)
Y3 12.5M
Y4 12.5M



BJ Hill 30M, 3 yrs, 15M year 1

15M signing bonus prorated = 5M per year


Balance is 15M over 2 years = 7.5 per year (keep it easy)

If we structure like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 5M
Y2 12.5M (7.5 + 5)
Y3 12.5

Waynes 1st year was signing bonus no base.  These may include roster bonuses, etc so they will not be this clean.

Just playing with numbers maximizing this year.

(03-14-2022, 04:31 PM)phil413 Wrote: My guess is they pull money forward to keep it out of Y3 because of Burrow and others.

I thought about that, but we will exercise is 5th year option even if we do the extension after this season.  So the only portion of his big hit will be the prorated bonus. His big base will hit in 4years.

Also we have very few free agents next year.  The following year there are many more.

I dont really know just playing with numbers.

(03-14-2022, 04:44 PM)casear2727 Wrote: If we wanted a very low cap hit this year these 3 be a combined cap hit of only 10.5M
Yr 2. 32.5
Yr 3. 32.5
yr 4. 12.5



Karras 18M, 3 yrs

9M signing bonus prorated = 3M per year


Balance is 9M over 2 years = 4.5 per year (keep it easy)

If we structure like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 3M
Y2 7.5M. (4.5 + 3)
Y3 7.5


Cappa 40M, 4yrs

10M signing bonus prorated = 2.5M per year


Balance is 30M over 3 years = 10M year (keep it easy)

If we structure like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 2.5M
Y2 12.5M (10 + 2.5)
Y3 12.5M
Y4 12.5M



BJ Hill 30M, 3 yrs, 15M year 1

15M signing bonus prorated = 5M per year


Balance is 15M over 2 years = 7.5 per year (keep it easy)

If we structure like we did Waynes it would look like this:

Y1 5M
Y2 12.5M (7.5 + 5)
Y3 12.5

Waynes 1st year was signing bonus no base.  These may include roster bonuses, etc so they will not be this clean.

Just playing with numbers maximizing this year.

That looks like you aren’t paying them a base salary in year 1 of their contracts. Am I understanding that correctly?

(03-14-2022, 09:17 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: That looks like you aren’t paying them a base salary in year 1 of their contracts. Am I understanding that correctly?

Yes, I was thinking they did Waynes contract like this, but I misread it, he was on the IR year one and it was labelled differently.

It actually works better if we add a little base year one, we still have money to make things work without getting into Joes big year.

Vappa is actually 4/35 rather than 4/40.

Saw a tweet guestimating the cap hits next year as 8.25 mil (Hill), $5 mil (Karras), and Cappa at $8.25 mil (working from 4/40). Looks like the three of them for under $20 mil next year. Good business.

(03-14-2022, 09:22 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Yes, I was thinking they did Waynes contract like this, but I misread it, he was on the IR year one and it was labelled differently.

It actually works better if we add a little base year one, we still have money to make things work without getting into Joes big year.

Right. That should move more salary into first year and less in last year. Which decrease dead money and increases cap savings in the last season if the team releases them because they don’t play up to expectations or need to create cap space. But, on the flip side, it increases their cap hit during the first year.

(03-14-2022, 09:50 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Right. That should move more salary into first year and less in last year. Which decrease dead money and increases cap savings in the last season if the team releases them because they don’t play up to expectations or need to create cap space. But, on the flip side, it increases their cap hit during the first year.

Which I am all for, just trying to squeeze in more guy this year.

We only have Pratt and Bell as FAs next year I think?  (Extend Jonah) So I was being a bit more liberal than usual.

But these are all good deals and very workable.

Get my RT, a CB (Jackson?) and TE (Conklin?) and we are set big time.

(03-14-2022, 09:58 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Which I am all for, just trying to squeeze in more guy this year.

We only have Pratt and Bell as FAs next year I think?  (Extend Jonah) So I was being a bit more liberal than usual.

But these are all good deals and very workable.

Get my RT, a CB (Jackson?) and TE (Conklin?) and we are set big time.

Totally agree, but I think the players are gonna want those 17 game checks during the season. Or a larger signing bonus.

(03-14-2022, 10:05 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Totally agree, but I think the players are gonna want those 17 game checks during the season. Or a larger signing bonus.

I was thinking signing bonus...

I did that very fast, my point was we could manipulate it the 1st year either way.

Can we agree we need a stud RT with no guarantee money, no signing bonus and a cap hit of only 10M for 3 years?

(03-14-2022, 10:17 PM)casear2727 Wrote: I was thinking signing bonus...

I did that very fast, my point was we could manipulate it the 1st year either way.

Can we agree we need a stud RT with no guarantee money, no signing bonus and a cap hit of only 10M for 3 years?

Yeah, but if the Bengals one one of those I’d be concerned about his football IQ.

(03-14-2022, 11:10 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Yeah, but if the Bengals one one of those I’d be concerned about his football IQ.

Somebody taught him a couple things that matter...

Run play.... destroy anyone in front of you.

Pass play... nobody touches #9.

(03-14-2022, 11:14 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Somebody taught him a couple things that matter...

Run play.... destroy anyone in front of you.

Pass play... nobody touches #9.

Green light go
Red light stop

In football… yellow light, go until it turns red.

Pretty straight forward.

His last two seasons he has allowed 2 sacks each year. I have a feeling that Joe B wouldn’t mind that.

(03-14-2022, 11:18 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Green light go
Red light stop

In football… yellow light, go until it turns red.  

Pretty straight forward.  

His last two seasons he has allowed 2 sacks each year.  I have a feeling that Joe B wouldn’t mind that.

Compared to our oline Collins plays a totally different game. And Von Miller would end up at the medic tent with OBJ, if mocked JB injured with La'el in the game.

As of this morning, the Bengals are sitting with $13,344,634 in available cap space. By releasing Waynes and Hopkins ($16,846,324 total), they could have $30,190,958 in available cap to work with.

Also of note, if they look to make a deal for a RT, they can free up another $2,433,000 by releasing Fred Johnson.

Having tagged Bates, signed Cappa, Karras, Hill, Batche, Thomas, Harris so far (I'm probably missing someone), I'd say the Bengals are in good shape and that more moves are likely to come.

(03-17-2022, 09:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: As of this morning, the Bengals are sitting with $13,344,634 in available cap space.  By releasing Waynes and Hopkins ($16,846,324 total), they could have $30,190,958 in available cap to work with.  

Also of note, if they look to make a deal for a RT, they can free up another $2,433,000 by releasing Fred Johnson.

Having tagged Bates, signed Cappa, Karras, Hill, Batche, Thomas, Harris so far (I'm probably missing someone), I'd say the Bengals are in good shape and that more moves are likely to come.

Thanks for the work