Let's have some fun knowing we draft at 31 so what may be left for us..

We still have a long time until the 1st pick in the draft, but getting closer. I am under the belief not only talent, but huge contracts drive some draft picks. Historical, teams want QB's, pass rushing specialists, left tackles, CB's and WR's due to rookie cap and having control of them for at least 5 years financially.

Only the best of the best seem to be drafted from other position groups. Some say the QB group is weak in potential #1 picks, but it always seems a team or 2 will still reach for a QB. Left Tackle is a very strong group, as is WR and CB.

The current landscape saw WR salaries escalate through the roof for vets. Will that impact teams trying to lock in their Jamar Chase for 5 years to manage the cap?

Round 1 Predictions (I will do mine later) of number taken at each position. There are 32 picks of course. How do you think round 1 plays out by position?

QB's
LT
WR
CB
DT
G/C
LB
Safety

Will the Bengal's make a pick (which position group) or trade down and out of the 1st round to get more picks?

I think we are in a perfect spot to trade down. Talent drop from 31-50 is not going to be big imo.

Unless a clear cut top 20-25 player is there at 31 I think we have to try to trade back for another pick in round 2-4.

(03-25-2022, 03:34 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: I think we are in a perfect spot to trade down. Talent drop from 31-50 is not going to be big imo.

Unless a clear cut top 20-25 player is there at 31 I think we have to try to trade back for another pick in round 2-4.

I think it depends on the player, if the center from Iowa is available , I would grab him. There are also 2 WR's, a defensive and an offensive tackle I would have to think twice.

But, I do agree we are in a perfect spot, teams wanted a player to get a 5th year option and not pay close to a top 10 pick brings teams into play to give us a lot to trade down.

I predict CB @ 31... But not for the Bengals who trade back

(03-25-2022, 05:27 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: I predict CB @ 31...   But not for the Bengals who trade back

It almost certainly feels like a 100% lock at this point. If Linderbaum somehow fell, we might surprise/upset some people on this board and still take CB. 

I'm really not sure if we'll trade down in the first round. I'd be a little surprised, but would love to see it. I think we go CB at 31, and trade down in the 2nd round. I'm willing to bet money that we don't go offense at 31, but that also depends if someone falls that they didn't expect. WR/TE could be in play in R2.

(03-25-2022, 07:25 PM)Bengalpool Wrote: I'm really not sure if we'll trade down in the first round. I'd be a little surprised, but would love to see it. I think we go CB at 31, and trade down in the 2nd round. I'm willing to bet money that we don't go offense at 31, but that also depends if someone falls that they didn't expect. WR/TE could be in play in R2.

I think if a can't miss WR is sitting there at #31 Bengals will have to consider it. The compensation for WR vets has sky rocketed so ant teams ability to grab a WR on a rookie deal and have them in essence locked for 5 years versus 3 years became a huge deal in my opinion.

(03-27-2022, 09:58 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think if a can't miss WR is sitting there at #31 Bengals will have to consider it. The compensation for WR vets has sky rocketed so ant teams ability to grab a WR on a rookie deal and have them in essence locked for 5 years versus 3 years became a huge deal in my opinion.

Who do you think would be a realistic/can't miss WR at 31? I'm thinking Jameson Williams or Treylon Burks. 

Williams could fall due to his ACL tear he had. Injury history may be of concern to teams.

Burks apparently (I didn't watch him) had a bad combine/pro day, but his film is outstanding.

I understand and support the idea of trading down.

However, the added year of control on a 1st round pick makes it a tough sell to move without getting a really good package back in return.

If all 3 of Linderbaum, Booth, and Elam are gone (or any top 15 talent who so happens to slip), I'd prefer a trade down. I feel like that is at least a possibility, given how under Zac we have traded down in the second 2/3 times, and pick 31 is essentially a high 2 w/ the 5th year option. I can see somebody trading up with us for a QB (Howell or Ridder) so they can get the 5YO.

The more I think about it, the more I start to feel Trey McBride will be the pick at 31 if 1-30 play out more or less as predicted. I just think that's who the department sees as best available, and while he's a TE and not a WR, today's league puts a huge value on stockpiling weapons, especially when we already have our QB and no particular glaring weaknesses.

I saw a mock recently that had the Bengals picking C Tyler Linderbaum from Iowa at 31. Apparently he measured at 31 1/8" arms which is pretty small. Sometimes people get certain measurements, reps or 40 times that seem subpar...But there's a point where interviews of coaches, teammates and opposing coaches and the game film itself speaks volumes compared to arm length. I heard Larry Johnson (Ohio State DLine coach who is the GOAT) thought Linderbaum was one of the toughest OLinemen his team had faced in the B1G.

My take, if Linderbaum is there at pick 31, I would be sprinting towards the podium with that selection yelling "Give me the stubby-armed Center from Iowa!"

I wouldn't mind taking Tyrannosaurus if he's available. If he got skills, he got skills. Otherwise, I would definitely go for the mock scenario I came across involved a trade with Carolina for their spot at 137 PLUS their 1st AND 2nd rounder in 2023.

I think it’s going to be a corner. Bengals are pretty weak at corner and 3t right now and could really use a surefire starter at corner.

I’d be happy with Andrew Booth or Elam or Kyler Gordon. I think Wyatt or Winfrey would be good players too.

Draft class isn't the best imo. If there is a good corner in reach, actually wouldn't mind moving up to get them.

I really think the emphasis will be on defense at 31 this draft. I think we will go CB or DT, with an outside shot at S. We really addressed the offense in FA so I would expect that we will add a young guy to the mix to improve defensive depth overall.


IMO order of importance

1) CB
2) DT
3) S

(03-27-2022, 10:12 AM)Bengalpool Wrote: Who do you think would be a realistic/can't miss WR at 31? I'm thinking Jameson Williams or Treylon Burks. 

Williams could fall due to his ACL tear he had. Injury history may be of concern to teams.

Burks apparently (I didn't watch him) had a bad combine/pro day, but his film is outstanding.

Those are the 2 I was thinking as well

(03-27-2022, 10:08 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I understand and support the idea of trading down.

However, the added year of control on a 1st round pick makes it a tough sell to move without getting a really good package back in return.

I 100% agree about the added value of the 5th year. It is that value that makes our pick an option for a team looking for their #1WR, CB or QB. In our case other than CB, which we could address in FA or with first pick in round 2, we are not looking for QB or WR.
Our draft board is wide open already in my opinion and we still have 30 days of FA prior the draft and cap money available.

(03-27-2022, 10:43 PM)TexasorBusted Wrote: I saw a mock recently that had the Bengals picking C Tyler Linderbaum from Iowa at 31. Apparently he measured at 31 1/8" arms which is pretty small. Sometimes people get certain measurements, reps or 40 times that seem subpar...But there's a point where interviews of coaches, teammates and opposing coaches and the game film itself speaks volumes compared to arm length. I heard Larry Johnson (Ohio State DLine coach who is the GOAT) thought Linderbaum was one of the toughest OLinemen his team had faced in the B1G.

My take, if Linderbaum is there at pick 31, I would be sprinting towards the podium with that selection yelling "Give me the stubby-armed Center from Iowa!"

I agree, if we do not sign a vet center like Tretter in FA.

(03-29-2022, 09:43 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I 100% agree about the added value of the 5th year. It is that value that makes our pick an option for a team looking for their #1WR, CB or QB. In our case other than CB, which we could address in FA or with first pick in round 2, we are not looking for QB or WR.
Our draft board is wide open already in my opinion and we still have 30 days of FA prior the draft and cap money available.

To clarify, you're right in big money positions, though I'd still include LT and a 2 way DE with high sack potential, those guys still get paid.  So, it would be an interesting debate of taking a BPA at the position like Elam vs a solid trade package.  

This QB class has guys that should be late 1sts, but desperate teams can still move up or take them before 31. The WR is deep all over, less likely someone pays a premium to move up.  

So, with this rough of a class at the top, teams have a decision to make.  I know teams can reach, but it's hard to justify some of these mocks with 4 guys gone in the top half of the 1st.  More likely, teams take BPA and try and move up in the 1st, even if it means being behind schedule at the position.  Lastly, you may be able to get a free mid round pick for Detroit moving up one slot to secure a QB, with Cincy being a threat to move down.  

(03-29-2022, 10:24 AM)phil413 Wrote: To clarify, you're right in big money positions, though I'd still include LT and a 2 way DE with high sack potential, those guys still get paid.  So, it would be an interesting debate of taking a BPA at the position like Elam vs a solid trade package.  

This QB class has guys that should be late 1sts, but desperate teams can still move up or take them before 31. The WR is deep all over, less likely someone pays a premium to move up.  

So, with this rough of a class at the top, teams have a decision to make.  I know teams can reach, but it's hard to justify some of these mocks with 4 guys gone in the top half of the 1st.  More likely, teams take BPA and try and move up in the 1st, even if it means being behind schedule at the position.  Lastly, you may be able to get a free mid round pick for Detroit moving up one slot to secure a QB, with Cincy being a threat to move down.  

Well thought out Phil. The reason for us I did not include DE simply was I am high on Joseph Ossai and think he will be a break out pass rusher for us in 2022. I think your Detroit analysis is spot on or any team may want to pay more to move little to get their guy in round 1 versus round 2. They may not give us 2nd, but my guess the cost for us to move one spot may be a late day 2 puck as compensation if there are multiple teams wanted to trade up into round 1.