(04-10-2022, 01:58 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Just want to say I didn't mean that as an insult. Just know a lot of people on here are from Ohio and have bias. But yeah...I think if a guy busts his tail through the 4th and misses the game winner, he's not clutch.

Look at it this way, Randy Bullock hit a ton of 4th quarter kicks for us in close games. Would anyone on here say he's clutch? Probably not, because he didn't hit the most important ones. Not often enough, anyway.

But yeah, glad to talk hoops even if we don't agree.

How dare you not acknowledge Randy Bullocks* as the GKOAT! 

*not to be confused with Bullock..

(04-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: MJ was not a shoot first player.  That’s LeBron


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Jordan averaged more shots per game and per 36 than Lebron does. MJ was an all-around GOAT, but he was primarily known for his scoring ability and defensive prowess. Lebron is not. Despite being a great scorer, he is known for his passing and playmaking abilities. They're different players completely. MG was a score first shooting guard whereas Lebron embodies the positionless basketball as a "point forward" type player. 

(04-10-2022, 03:18 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Lebron doesn't, and never did, have the "it" factor.

Burrow has already proven that he can take over the game and lead his team to (at least) a split second block from winning a title. 

LeBron has won 4 NBA Championships and every single time he was MVP of the finals.  He has also won 4 regular season MVPs.

I love Joe Burrow but it is silly at this point to even try to compare him to LeBron.  Bron didn't have a ring by hi second season so it is still early.  But right now Burrow is not even in the same discussion with LeBron as far as the "it" factor.

(04-10-2022, 09:32 AM)grampahol Wrote: How dare you not acknowledge Randy Bullocks* as the GKOAT! 

*not to be confused with Bullock..

Randy *Bollocks. Amirite??!!



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OK enough chat about the NBA which has n relevance to this thread. Mods need to delete a bunch of posts

Now back to Burrow, can he become an Icon Nationally?

(03-25-2022, 10:16 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't know. He's rarely talked about in my market. No commercials.

I predict that he becomes hated like Brady outside of the fan base. I like his confidence, but other fan bases won't.

There are just a bunch of marquee QBs especially in the AFC.

This.  Joe Burrow is fun to watch but his popularity requires that he continues to play winning football.  He's way more Broadway Joe than Peyton Manning.  Or he could double down on his young gun personae and become a national spokesman for "Manscaped ™ "

(04-10-2022, 10:17 AM)fredtoast Wrote: LeBron has won 4 NBA Championships and every single time he was MVP of the finals.  He has also won 4 regular season MVPs.

I love Joe Burrow but it is silly at this point to even try to compare him to LeBron.  Bron didn't have a ring by hi second season so it is still early.  But right now Burrow is not even in the same discussion with LeBron as far as the "it" factor.

Bron has had a bunch of stacked teams and couldn't win.

I'm not saying Burrow is better than Lebron but it's not incorrect in saying that Burrow has the "it" factor and Lebron doesn't.

(04-10-2022, 04:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Bron has had a bunch of stacked teams and couldn't win.

I'm not saying Burrow is better than Lebron but it's not incorrect in saying that Burrow has the "it" factor and Lebron doesn't.

I think it’s important to remember that the NBA has been in the era of “super teams” for a while now. Out of the 10 Finals that Bron has been to, his team has only been favored to win three times. These were the 2020-2020 Finals, the 2013 Finals and the 2011 Finals. He has been on some stacked teams, but he has also gone up against stacked teams. The 2007 Spurs with Parker, Ginobli and Duncan. All of the Warriors Finals with Curry, Durant and Klay. The young Thunder squad with Durant, Harden and Westbrook.

(04-10-2022, 04:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote:  it's not incorrect in saying that Burrow has the "it" factor and Lebron doesn't.

Yes it is.

When you have 4 championships and you were the MVP of every one of those series then you have the "it" factor.

WTF is going on in this thread?!

Who the hell cares about the crappy NBA

(04-10-2022, 05:17 PM)Destro Wrote: WTF is going on in this thread?!

Derailed.  I'm not a fan of strict moderation and having tons of rules but sometimes I wish this forum had a rule about derailing threads.  Some other forums I follow have rules against derailing and it does seem to keep threads on topic. That said, I've gone off topic a few times myself. It's easy to get caught up in the moment and do that. :)

(04-10-2022, 05:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes it is.

When you have 4 championships and you were the MVP of every one of those series then you have the "it" factor.

Lebron has won championships because he has been on loaded teams.

How many times has Lebron passed on a last second shot? 

Pure talent got him those MVPs, not the "it" factor.

This article describes how Lebron is lacking the "it" factor.

(04-11-2022, 05:25 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Lebron has won championships because he has been on loaded teams.

Everyone who wins an NBA Championship is on a loaded team. 

But if he was winning because of other players then they would be winning the Series MVPs instead of him.

(04-11-2022, 05:25 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: This article describes how Lebron is lacking the "it" factor.

This article is from 2011 when LeBron had not yet won a title.  And it is kind of funny because by his seventh season when this was written LeBron had already been to an NBA finals in just his 4th season.    Jordan did not even make the finals until his 7th season.

If you went back to the same point in Jordan's career you would find stories about how he was too soft to get the Bulls past the Pistons and into the NBA Finals.

(04-11-2022, 10:14 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Everyone who wins an NBA Championship is on a loaded team. 

But if he was winning because of other players then they would be winning the Series MVPs instead of him.

lol Jordan wasn't on loaded teams. His teams weren't bad but they weren't near as loaded as Bron's teams.

If you have been watching any television lately, analysts aren't even trying to argue Lebron as the GOAT anymore, which the dude has all the physical abilities in the world, so what's missing? The "it" factor.

You're proving how clueless you are in this matter.

(04-11-2022, 10:26 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This article is from 2011 when LeBron had not yet won a title.  And it is kind of funny because by his seventh season when this was written LeBron had already been to an NBA finals in just his 4th season.    Jordan did not even make the finals until his 7th season.

If you went back to the same point in Jordan's career you would find stories about how he was too soft to get the Bulls past the Pistons and into the NBA Finals.

Lebron's path to the finals was a lot easier. 

Once again, I'm pretty sure this is another instance of you just trying to contradict anything I post because this makes no sense.

(04-11-2022, 01:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, I'm pretty sure this is another instance of you just trying to contradict anything I post because this makes no sense.

It makes "no sense" to say that a guy with 4 rings 4 regular season MVPs and 4 Championship series MVPs has the "it" factor?

You know, Brad, I disagree with a lot of other people on this board.   But instead of just making everything personal when I disagree with them they make arguments about the issue we are debating.  

So far all you have posted is an article from 2011 which was before LeBron had won any of his championships.  And 6 years into Jordan's career people were saying the exact same thing about him because he had not even made an NBA finals yet.

(04-11-2022, 01:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: If you have been watching any television lately, analysts aren't even trying to argue Lebron as the GOAT anymore, 

You're proving how clueless you are in this matter.

  

You are not even an NBA fan, Brad.  Maybe you should stay in your lane



Mavericks coach Jason Kidd calls LeBron James greatest of all-time - Sports Illustrated


Reasons LeBron James is the greatest of all time, LeBron GOAT (clutchpoints.com)


Proof LeBron James Is the GOAT - HowTheyPlay


"LeBron James is vying for the greatest of all time, and its not Michael Jordan's record he's looking at!" Shaquille O'Neal thinks James's plan was always to pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in points - The SportsRush


Top 5: Why LeBron James is the Greatest of All-Time - The Athletes Hub


Who is the greatest NBA player of all-time: LeBron James or Michael Jordan? | Sporting News


LeBron James is the greatest player of all-time - ProBasketballTalk | NBC Sports

(04-11-2022, 01:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It makes "no sense" to say that a guy with 4 rings 4 regular season MVPs and 4 Championship series MVPs has the "it" factor?

You know, Brad, I disagree with a lot of other people on this board.   But instead of just making everything personal when I disagree with them they make arguments about the issue we are debating.  

So far all you have posted is an article from 2011 which was before LeBron had won any of his championships.  And 6 years into Jordan's career people were saying the exact same thing about him because he had not even made an NBA finals yet.

lol 

You not only make things personal when we "debate," but you also post lie after lie!

It's comical because then you'll say "I've never posted a lie" or "you've never proven me wrong" even though I always post multiple examples!

To be honest, it's sad.

Another thing that's sad is you always just post links with not quotes or anything, so that's usually a tell that they don't prove your points.

(04-11-2022, 01:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote:   

You are not even an NBA fan, Brad.  Maybe you should stay in your lane



Mavericks coach Jason Kidd calls LeBron James greatest of all-time - Sports Illustrated

That's about scoring, not about winning, which it even says: 

Quote:While James is putting up one of the greatest offensive seasons of his storied career, the Lakers are sputtering. After a loss on Tuesday night to Kidd’s Mavericks, Los Angeles fell to the No. 11 spot in the West, on the outside looking in for the play-in tournament for the playoffs. 

Who cares how much he's scoring if his team's not winning.

(04-11-2022, 01:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Reasons LeBron James is the greatest of all time, LeBron GOAT (clutchpoints.com)

That just argues statistics and further proves that James didn't have the "it" factor.
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(04-11-2022, 01:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote:   

You are not even an NBA fan, Brad.  Maybe you should stay in your lane



Mavericks coach Jason Kidd calls LeBron James greatest of all-time - Sports Illustrated


Reasons LeBron James is the greatest of all time, LeBron GOAT (clutchpoints.com)


Proof LeBron James Is the GOAT - HowTheyPlay


"LeBron James is vying for the greatest of all time, and its not Michael Jordan's record he's looking at!" Shaquille O'Neal thinks James's plan was always to pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in points - The SportsRush


Top 5: Why LeBron James is the Greatest of All-Time - The Athletes Hub


Who is the greatest NBA player of all-time: LeBron James or Michael Jordan? | Sporting News


LeBron James is the greatest player of all-time - ProBasketballTalk | NBC Sports

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Most of those other ones are just about statistics and talent, which just goes to further prove that he doesn't have the "it" factor.

Stay in your lane Fred because it never ends well for you when you try to outsmart me.

So that Joe Burrow Guy......



Hes got the Eye of the Tiger.