(06-23-2022, 04:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Ogunjobi signed for 1yr up to $8m if incentives were hit. There's no reason the Bengals shouldn't have reached out and offered that.

For sure, wonder if this is a sign of how high the coaches are on Zach Carter and maybe a sign of Cam Sample doing some 3-tech.

(06-23-2022, 05:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: For sure, wonder if this is a sign of how high the coaches are on Zach Carter and maybe a sign of Cam Sample doing some 3-tech.

it's not that they're high on zac carter, it's that they invested a 3rd round pick on him, so they're gonna see what he's got

I mean, bengals could improve the LG spot with Spain, but it seems like they want to ride it out with unproven guys like Jackson and Volson

(06-23-2022, 02:05 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm not so sure I care for that. You can do absolutely nothing to affect the play and still have a "win". That's how we had a lot of people in love with Carl Lawson.

The entire NFL recognized Lawson's ability.  That is why he was rated so highly as a free agent and got such a big contract.

I did not want to give him a big contract because of his injury issue, but if you watched him play you could see he was a great pass rusher.

People who think "pressure" on a QB does not make any difference unless there is a sack have never seen the statistical difference of how QBs produce "under pressure" compared to from a clean pocket.

(06-23-2022, 04:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Ogunjobi signed for 1yr up to $8m if incentives were hit. There's no reason the Bengals shouldn't have reached out and offered that.

That would put a ton of money on the D-line.

Based on average yearly salary we already have.  .  .  
Hendrickson......$15 million
Reader..............$13.3 million
Hubbard...........$10 million
Hill...................$10 million

(06-23-2022, 08:33 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: it's not that they're high on zac carter, it's that they invested a 3rd round pick on him, so they're gonna see what he's got

I mean, bengals could improve the LG spot with Spain, but it seems like they want to ride it out with unproven guys like Jackson and Volson

You gotta see what you got in your picks. True. Hopefully we don't suffer cause of this and they are ready.

(06-23-2022, 12:50 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Part time players are often pass rush specialists.  So they play a lot more on passing downs.  As they become more full time players they often do not really increase the number of passing downs they play.  Most of the extra snaps they are playing are against the run.

It also works the same way with NTs that just play mostly un running downs.  D-linemen don't usually get a tackle on a pass play unless it is a sack.  So NTs that just play mostly running downs will have a higher ratio of tackles to snaps played.

PFF subscribers can tell us exactly how many of Hill's and Ogunjobi's snaps were against runs and how many against passes.

(06-23-2022, 01:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I am not positive, but I think that they can do better than that.  I think I've seen people post stats like "pass rush win rate" or some such.

Per PFF: 

---------Total snaps  RDef  PRush  Total Prsh  Sk   Hit  Hurry  Tkl   Ast   Miss  Miss%  Stops
BJ Hill------720-------235----481--------38-------8----8----22----40---14-----2-----3.6------30
LarryO-----752-------238----513--------41-------8----7----26-----33---12---13----22.4-----31

(06-26-2022, 09:28 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Per PFF: 

---------Total snaps  RDef  PRush  Total Prsh  Sk   Hit  Hurry  Tkl   Ast   Miss  Miss%  Stops
BJ Hill------720-------235----481--------38-------8----8----22----40---14-----2-----3.6------30
LarryO-----752-------238----513--------41-------8----7----26-----33---12---13----22.4-----31

 Those numbers, especially the snap counts, just don't look right.  I can understand some differences on how they credit sacks and stuff like that, but how can they be so far off on snaps played?

(06-27-2022, 12:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote:  Those numbers, especially the snap counts, just don't look right.  I can understand some differences on how they credit sacks and stuff like that, but how can they be so far off on snaps played?

That's total for the season (playoffs included). He had 502 for the regular season. 

(06-27-2022, 04:04 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: That's total for the season (playoffs included). He had 502 for the regular season. 

Thanks.