(12-15-2015, 08:00 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Fair enough, but maybe that's a good starting point for an argument to have a 3rd QB on the roster to develop rather than Margus Hunt and his 2 total tackles in 4 games active, or Will Clarke and his 4 total tackles in 11 games active, or Brandon Thompson and his 7 total tackles in 6 games active, or Marcus Hardison and his 0 games active.

Way too many DL busts being carried on the roster, now effecting the team's depth because I think we all took Dalton starting 16 every year for granted.

Somebody seems to be a bit salty today.

Promoted Wenning from PS

1. A contender that loses a starting QB this late in the season is always going to value experience over "upside". We need a QB who isn't going to embarrass himself out there. Ponder has played decently for a team with no WR's.

2. I'm sure Marv could've talked to Leslie about Ponder.

3. Look how Gabbert is playing for SF. Who would've guessed that would happen? You never know what a change in scenery will do.

If McCarron goes down, I think we'll all be happy we have another guy who has actually won games in the NFL on the roster.

(12-15-2015, 08:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Promoted Wenning from PS

The smart move.

No issue with Carter released but why havent they signed a qb yet? Seems like they are a day behind on dealing with all of this

(12-15-2015, 08:16 PM)Wenning it is, then. Wrote: Ouch. Well he does know the system, but that won't help if he can't play. Dude has 0 experience. Barely played even in preseason. I'd rather hurry up and get a vet up to speed. What if McCarron looks terrible? We'd have no other option.

What's Josh Freeman up to these days?

Carter has been more effective than many others on the roster (margus hunt...cough...others). I understand they need to bring in a QB but certainly there was someone else who could have gotten the deserved axe.

Stupid to release Carter

(12-15-2015, 09:45 PM)J24 Wrote: Stupid to release Carter

We need Margus to not be effective. 
What will we do if Margus isn't out the being ineffective?!?!

Oh yeah, play Will Clarke who will be ineffective. 

Of all the players to release, it's Carter. At least he has shown something. Really liked his upside. One of the few players we had that could bend the corner while rushing the passer.

(12-16-2015, 02:42 AM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Of all the players to release, it's Carter. At least he has shown something. Really liked his upside. One of the few players we had that could bend the corner while rushing the passer.

Sure, he has shown something on the football field, but how far can he throw a discus or shotput? Exactly. Good riddence to that football player.

(12-15-2015, 09:48 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: We need Margus to not be effective. 
What will we do if Margus isn't out the being ineffective?!?!

Oh yeah, play Will Clarke who will be ineffective. 

(12-16-2015, 03:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Sure, he has shown something on the football field, but how far can he throw a discus or shotput? Exactly. Good riddence to that football player.

So, guys, which NFL team is going to shell out the big bucks to sign Carter now that he has all this great game film to sell himself.

15 tackles and zero sacks in 46 career games must be worth what?  7 or 8 million a year?

BTW Margus Hunt has 1.5 NFL sacks and has played 20 fewer games than Carter, but, hey, lets all keep hating on him because we haven't liked the guy since he was drafted.  I mean it doesn't matter if Carter never registered a single sack.  All that matters is that he is not Hunt.

Even Clarke has more sack than carter in the NFL.

(12-15-2015, 07:26 PM)BritishBengal Wrote: Put me down as someone who doesn't like that move.

Same here, we have McCarron, Sanu and Wenning. All have more upside than Ponder or Tebow IMHO.

These guys can all throw the ball down the field, Ponder can't and neither can Tebow.

Carter was a good ST'er and a decent speed rusher. We will need all of those we can get down the stretch
more than a backups, backup QB that has no arm. The FA QB pool out there is downright terrible.

(12-15-2015, 08:16 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Promoted Wenning from PS

I think there might of been another player we could of released besides Carter.

We can't put Carter on the PS, we might of been able to with Uzumah though.

Hopefully the Eifert concussion is not too bad...

(12-15-2015, 08:00 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Fair enough, but maybe that's a good starting point for an argument to have a 3rd QB on the roster to develop rather than Margus Hunt and his 2 total tackles in 4 games active, or Will Clarke and his 4 total tackles in 11 games active, or Brandon Thompson and his 7 total tackles in 6 games active, or Marcus Hardison and his 0 games active.

Way too many DL busts being carried on the roster, now effecting the team's depth because I think we all took Dalton starting 16 every year for granted.

Carter really hasnt done much... and our young DE's DT's are in the situation our young CBs and young WRs have faced in the past... Solid starters ahead of them make it hard to get reps.

(12-16-2015, 01:39 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Carter really hasnt done much... and our young DE's DT's are in the situation our young CBs and young WRs have faced in the past...  Solid starters ahead of them make it hard to get reps.

I like Carter's energy, but we need to keep it real and factual.

Carter is a special team player (good one) and a one trick pony as a pass rush specialist. Only one major problem, he has zero sacks. He is not good holding the edge against the run (too small) thus guys like Hunt and Clarke who both can play DE and DT are much more valuable.

(12-16-2015, 01:44 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I lie Carter's energy, but we need to keep it real and factual.

Carter is a special team player (good one) and a one trick pony as a pass rush specialist. Only one major problem, he has zero sacks. He is not good holding the edge against the run (too small) thus guys like Hunt and Clarke who both can play DE and DT are much more valuable.

Why? They don't hold the edge either and offer nothing on special teams. 

(12-16-2015, 01:46 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Why? They don't hold the edge either and offer nothing on special teams. 

They are both better at holding the edge (run defense) than Carter, it is not even close trying to move a 250 Lb. guy versus 280 to 290 lb. guys.

You can't really want to get rid of Clarke or Hunt to keep Carter. Carter is essentially a linebacker who might play DE on some passing downs. If MJ went down, we would be very thin on the end of the line. Clarke and Hunt aren't going to be huge sack guys, they play a different role in this defense - as does MJ.