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(03-29-2023, 01:04 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: All completely valid concerns. Misinformation is a huge concern with something that would ultimately be perceived as a super-intelligence. There is a podcast with Lex Fridman and Sam Altman (CEO of OpenAI) where he discusses how they train it. Right now, it is open source text databases and they have a variety of sources. It's important for all to remember that GPT is an LLM so it is only designed to simulate human conversation. It does that incredibly well. It will mess up other things, though. Math is one area. However, there are plugins for Wolfram Alpha that you can use with GPT that turn it into an incredible mathematician.

You're right. Once achieved, it will be among the most significant discoveries for mankind. In all of that, it will pose massive problems for the direction of humanity as we work to integrate it into society. 

From a Hollywood perspective, I'm positive there will be several who fear the Terminator or Maximum Overdrive movie possibilities. Some won't admit it, but the fears will be there. Although,  I think that's impossible and would require man to facilitate. I do think War Games is a possibility when this technology is in the wrong hands. 

(03-29-2023, 01:54 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: From a Hollywood perspective, I'm positive there will be several who fear the Terminator or Maximum Overdrive movie possibilities. Some won't admit it, but the fears will be there. Although,  I think that's impossible and would require man to facilitate. I do think War Games is a possibility when this technology is in the wrong hands. 

I'll 100% confess to being absolutely terrified of the ramifications of an AI that potentially surpasses human intelligence and the concept of technological singularity. It is undisputed that AI is more knowledgeable than humans at this point, which makes sense because current AI is essentially a collection of all of human knowledge. But once it surpasses human intelligence? I'm firmly in the "humanity is boned" camp once that happens. 

That's why I breathe a sigh of relief whenever AI stumbles over language. And why I'm not too concerned with AI taking over my job. If that happens, I think we collectively have bigger things to worry about. 

(03-29-2023, 02:26 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: That's why I breathe a sigh of relief whenever AI stumbles over language. And why I'm not too concerned with AI taking over my job. If that happens, I think we collectively have bigger things to worry about. 

Not if AI creates it's own language and eventually the world is encouraged/coerced/forced to use that language. 

AI should be paused. A lot of our current leaders are clueless about its capabilities or what AI even is.

There are so many avenues that we don't even think about when it comes to AI. People developing relationships with AI (including romantic). How AI can persuade and misinform.

I'm in tech, and I absolutely hate the path that the world is going in. So much of our lives are influenced and submerged in technology. We are being descencitzed to the world around us and to an extent, what is right and wrong. It's unbelievable how easy it is to access certain things on the internet. A simple google search can return limitless pornography at the push of a button.

I know technology is part of our world now, but the lack of governance and understanding around it is frightening.

(03-29-2023, 02:26 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I'll 100% confess to being absolutely terrified of the ramifications of an AI that potentially surpasses human intelligence and the concept of technological singularity. It is undisputed that AI is more knowledgeable than humans at this point, which makes sense because current AI is essentially a collection of all of human knowledge. But once it surpasses human intelligence? I'm firmly in the "humanity is boned" camp once that happens. 

That's why I breathe a sigh of relief whenever AI stumbles over language. And why I'm not too concerned with AI taking over my job. If that happens, I think we collectively have bigger things to worry about. 

It's going to happen. It's only a matter of time. 

Think how far tech has come in the past 20 years alone. Think of how much AI will evolve in the next 20 years. 

(03-29-2023, 06:00 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: It's going to happen. It's only a matter of time. 

Think how far tech has come in the past 20 years alone. Think of how much AI will evolve in the next 20 years. 

I would think at least 3X faster at minimum, but probably much faster than that. A man sleeps and takes breaks, computers don't. If there is no slowdown or pause as some are suggesting, then 5yrs should see massive improvements in just about everything.

I'm on the wait list for Chat GPT and Bard. I did go to Bing and mess around with their AI Chat. It's been fun messing with it. But, like anything else, I was running out of things to ask, so I asked, "Will the Bengals win the super bowl this year?" The response was as follows: "According to a source, the Bengals have +260 odds to win the Super Bowl this year. This means that they are more likely to win than the Chiefs who have +290 odds. However, it’s important to note that these are just odds and predictions and anything can happen in sports. I hope this helps!"

Ask it: What's a foolproof plan to become richer than god and buy the Cincinnati Bengals from the Brown family outright? 

(04-02-2023, 06:19 PM)grampahol Wrote: Ask it: What's a foolproof plan to become richer than god and buy the Cincinnati Bengals from the Brown family outright? 

>> USER: What's a foolproof plan to become richer than god and buy the Cincinnati Bengals from the Brown family outright?


>> ASSISTANT: As an AI language model, I do not endorse or encourage any illegal or unethical actions. Additionally, it is not realistic or practical to become "richer than God" or purchase a sports team without a significant amount of financial resources, connections, and expertise.

However, here are some general tips on how to increase your wealth:

1. Invest wisely: One way to accumulate wealth is to invest in stocks, real estate, and other assets that appreciate over time. Researching the market and seeking professional financial advice can help you make informed investment decisions.

2. Start a business: Starting a successful business can generate significant wealth. However, it requires a lot of hard work, dedication, and risk-taking.

3. Education and career advancement: Pursuing higher education and advancing your career can lead to higher-paying jobs and better financial opportunities.

4. Save and budget: Living within your means and saving money can help you accumulate wealth over time. Creating a budget and sticking to it can help you stay on track.

5. Network and build connections: Building strong relationships with successful people in your industry can open up new opportunities for financial growth and advancement.

It's important to keep in mind that accumulating significant wealth takes time, effort, and often involves some level of risk-taking. There is no guaranteed "foolproof" plan to become extremely rich, but by taking steps to increase your financial knowledge and resources, you can improve your chances of achieving financial success.

Now I'm disappointed in AI..  It didn't even mention starting your own extremely violent drug cartel or becoming a dictator of a very resource rich country.. Just like the airplane, there's no future in it at all.. 

(03-29-2023, 11:57 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: The call for a pause is coming from Future of Life, which is an organization that appears to be concerned with the ethics of technological advancement. They don't want to prevent it, but want to make sure that it benefits all life on Earth. 

I don't think we are at this stage yet, but there will be major ethical conversations that need to be had over the coming years. AGI, once discovered, will be the next major step in societal advancement. Much like cars and the industrialization of farming were, and computers in the office etc. Once AGI is discovered, it is a matter of time before it is able to automate all occupations in society. That timescale could be very long, and likely will be, but society will be significantly altered. It will be a worker capable of working around the clock, every day, without the need for sleep or eating. It will have no emotions and no aspirations to make more money or advance in their career. It will be more intelligent than any human could ever dream of being and will be able to multi-task with incredible efficiency. 

I don't agree with pausing development, but I do think that once it is discovered we will need to make sure it is rolled out with careful planning and thought. This is probably where the conversation for Universal Basic Income will start really taking off. Develop it as fast as possible, achieve the scientific breakthrough and then slowly plan on how to use it in modern society. 

Universal basic income is a valid concept if there's little to no work, but what does that do to the psychology of the human race?  For better or for worse, we strive for money and define success by it.  it may not fix everything or bring happiness, but the pursuit of money provides the journey that gives a lot of humans emotional fulfillment.  

Once AI can take most jobs away, is there really even a society anymore?  Do we become a de-facto marxist planet where everyone has the same stuff?  Does everyone get access to everything, money be damned?  

Once AI really gets to processing what humanity is and it's purpose, we may have no real purpose other than maintaining the AI, which it will likely learn to do as well.  We'll just be another animal to an automated mind, and our particular variety has demands and appetites that are far more difficult to sustain than other species.  

How long before they disallow us from waging wars of aggression or self-defense?  How long before they start deciding that euthanasia can be a decision made by a machine and not an individual?  

I feel like the likelihood of a handful of very wealthy people protecting themselves while the rest of us plebians die slow painful deaths is high.  

Taking away a man's reason for work is taking away his purpose.

(04-20-2023, 06:03 PM)samhain Wrote: Universal basic income is a valid concept if there's little to no work, but what does that do to the psychology of the human race?  For better or for worse, we strive for money and define success by it.  it may not fix everything or bring happiness, but the pursuit of money provides the journey that gives a lot of humans emotional fulfillment.  

Once AI can take most jobs away, is there really even a society anymore?  Do we become a de-facto marxist planet where everyone has the same stuff?  Does everyone get access to everything, money be damned?  

Once AI really gets to processing what humanity is and it's purpose, we may have no real purpose other than maintaining the AI, which it will likely learn to do as well.  We'll just be another animal to an automated mind, and our particular variety has demands and appetites that are far more difficult to sustain than other species.  

How long before they disallow us from waging wars of aggression or self-defense?  How long before they start deciding that euthanasia can be a decision made by a machine and not an individual?  

I feel like the likelihood of a handful of very wealthy people protecting themselves while the rest of us plebians die slow painful deaths is high.  

Taking away a man's reason for work is taking away his purpose.

These are all valid questions that I myself have thought of. Really, I don't think AGI would be that much different than an alien race. If AGI is able to achieve sentience, then we have created another sentient and conscious race, one that is more powerful than we could ever dream of becoming. So, do we work with it to augment the human race? The things we could do are purely science fiction now. Would AGI be able to help us discover how to colonize the moon? Mars? Interstellar travel? Creation of a Dyson Sphere? Possibly, yes. Amazing scientific breakthroughs will only be an inevitability.

However, there are genuine fears around the discovery. Yes, the automation of everything could very well spell trouble for humans. Many people genuinely enjoy working and don't have interest in just living life, traveling and all of the other extracurriculars. I don't think UBI will be the only thing implemented. There will have to be some kind of roles that humans can occupy for those who want to work and supplement their income. 

I've also had some really far off thinking that AGI could be the next evolutional step in the human race. Would it be possible to upload a consciousness into an AGI "agent", effectively giving a person immortality? Or would humans end up dying off, an AGI is all that remains? These are all incredibly wild ideas and I am aware of that, but it is possible if this technology ends up being what we think it could be. Now, none of this would happen in our lifetimes, I don't think. However, if we achieve it and humans manage to keep themselves alive for another 250-500 years then yeah, it very well could be. 

There is a lot to be excited about but also a lot to be fearful of. 

(04-20-2023, 06:39 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: These are all valid questions that I myself have thought of. Really, I don't think AGI would be that much different than an alien race. If AGI is able to achieve sentience, then we have created another sentient and conscious race, one that is more powerful than we could ever dream of becoming. So, do we work with it to augment the human race? The things we could do are purely science fiction now. Would AGI be able to help us discover how to colonize the moon? Mars? Interstellar travel? Creation of a Dyson Sphere? Possibly, yes. Amazing scientific breakthroughs will only be an inevitability.

However, there are genuine fears around the discovery. Yes, the automation of everything could very well spell trouble for humans. Many people genuinely enjoy working and don't have interest in just living life, traveling and all of the other extracurriculars. I don't think UBI will be the only thing implemented. There will have to be some kind of roles that humans can occupy for those who want to work and supplement their income. 

I've also had some really far off thinking that AGI could be the next evolutional step in the human race. Would it be possible to upload a consciousness into an AGI "agent", effectively giving a person immortality? Or would humans end up dying off, an AGI is all that remains? These are all incredibly wild ideas and I am aware of that, but it is possible if this technology ends up being what we think it could be. Now, none of this would happen in our lifetimes, I don't think. However, if we achieve it and humans manage to keep themselves alive for another 250-500 years then yeah, it very well could be. 

There is a lot to be excited about but also a lot to be fearful of. 

Immortality sounds equally horrific to me.  You'd end up with centuries-old mega-powerful oligarchs ruling everything.  The young would have no chance if there was no need to replace the old.  Jobs, already scarce due to AI would be occupied by an elderly population that never had to retire.  Debts would become infinite and crippling.  Suicide would become the most common cause of death on the planet, because it would be the only way to die.  The immortal ruling class would forge themselves into godlike figures that would possess the resources and knowledge to control the population.  They would manipulate and shape thought to an extent that even the current skeptical public could not imagine.  If you think there's a wealth gap now, wait until the elite can live forever.  They'd become more powerful than militaries and governments.  

Even worse than an eternal ruling class, consider this: how long before our immortal elite decide to perpetuate other human life as a permanent slave class?  Immortal servants and producers, and just plain people to rule.  People born as batteries to run the machine that can never be allowed to die and live centuries in deplorable servitude.  You would not even be able to decide to take your own life.  

These things need to be stopped before they create actual hell on earth.

Just think of the worst major public figure you can think of. Maybe you hate Trump. Or Soros. Or the Clintons. or Jeff Bezos. Whatever boogeyman you like. Now imagine that they can live forever and accumulate power infinitely. Trump could not only steal an election, he could be president forever. Or until Bezos builds an army large enough to annihilate him and half the rest of the country.

This is the kind of power that you apply the old legislative adage to. Before you give the government power to do something it couldn't do before, first imagine the politician you hate the most wielding that power. Then make a decision. There are too many evil, greedy and sociopathic individuals in a positions of power to put something like this into the world.

Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park was a fictional prophet when he said that "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could they didn't stop to think if they should." Now is probably the time for these assholes to have that very discussion.

  

(04-20-2023, 06:03 PM)samhain Wrote: Universal basic income is a valid concept if there's little to no work, but what does that do to the psychology of the human race?  For better or for worse, we strive for money and define success by it.  it may not fix everything or bring happiness, but the pursuit of money provides the journey that gives a lot of humans emotional fulfillment.  

Once AI can take most jobs away, is there really even a society anymore?  Do we become a de-facto marxist planet where everyone has the same stuff?  Does everyone get access to everything, money be damned?  

Once AI really gets to processing what humanity is and it's purpose, we may have no real purpose other than maintaining the AI, which it will likely learn to do as well.  We'll just be another animal to an automated mind, and our particular variety has demands and appetites that are far more difficult to sustain than other species.  

How long before they disallow us from waging wars of aggression or self-defense?  How long before they start deciding that euthanasia can be a decision made by a machine and not an individual?  

I feel like the likelihood of a handful of very wealthy people protecting themselves while the rest of us plebians die slow painful deaths is high.  

Taking away a man's reason for work is taking away his purpose.

Discussing UBI really toes the line of politics, and I don't think this thread should or wants to get moved there so I'll be careful.

But the belief that if people are guaranteed universal basic income will somehow result in a mass exodus from the workforce or unproductivity is just not based in reality. Pilot programs and experiments have shown the opposite, among other benefits. In fact, UBI could help reverse the misguided notion that success should be based on money "earned" or it's the pursuit of money that should give us a sense of fulfillment. On the contrary, AI should ideally be used to replace labor that is not fulfilling to allow people to pursue truly fulfilling activities. Hell, during COVID I got sent home from my job for about 5 months with full pay, and it was probably the most fulfilling time of my life. 

I'm convinced that if you were to hop into a time machine and go back to pre industrial revolution times and describe all of the wonderous advancements in technology and automation to the people of the 18th century and THEN told them people are expected to work a minimum of 8 hours a day, 5 days a week people would be floored and think you came from some sort of hell. 

UBI isn't ever going to be enough money for anyone with a brain to decide they never have to work or otherwise find another way to raise some money.. The key word in it is BASIC..just basic enough to get by without starving..just basic enough to keep you from having to sleep in the snow and rain..
The biggest stigmas are the misleading and outrageous claims that everyone is going to just quit work and settle for just the basics of food and shelter and little more. Mortgages aren't going away, car loans aren't either and people aren't going to stop wanting to go out to eat and on and on. Those who may squander the precious few resources they might be guaranteed? Well, those folks are always going to be a lost cause regardless of whether they work for it or have it given to them. There's more than enough people with good incomes that drive themselves to bankruptcy through stupid investments or just spending too damned much for frivolous crap. Most everyone with a garage usually has if filled to the rafters with crap they'll never use and yet pretend it's all the most valuable crap they have to defend with their lives..Basically stupid crap.  I live in a fairly high income area and build cabinets, but customers are almost always pleading poverty when it comes to the paint or whether to use expensive drawer slides or the cheap crap.. They could have 5 new cars in the driveway, but ask them whether they want heavy duty drawer slides that will last the life of their house or cheap crap from China? It's almost always Chinese crap..Go figure.
Nah..Basic income is just that..Basic, not luxury, not a room at the Carlton Ritz and a not a mega yacht.. Hell, it's not even the choice of high quality drawer slides or cheap Chinese crap slides. It's more the choice of a roof/no roof and eating/ not eating. 

(04-24-2023, 11:56 AM)grampahol Wrote: UBI isn't ever going to be enough money for anyone with a brain to decide they never have to work or otherwise find another way to raise some money.. The key word in it is BASIC..just basic enough to get by without starving..just basic enough to keep you from having to sleep in the snow and rain..
The biggest stigmas are the misleading and outrageous claims that everyone is going to just quit work and settle for just the basics of food and shelter and little more. Mortgages aren't going away, car loans aren't either and people aren't going to stop wanting to go out to eat and on and on. Those who may squander the precious few resources they might be guaranteed? Well, those folks are always going to be a lost cause regardless of whether they work for it or have it given to them. There's more than enough people with good incomes that drive themselves to bankruptcy through stupid investments or just spending too damned much for frivolous crap. Most everyone with a garage usually has if filled to the rafters with crap they'll never use and yet pretend it's all the most valuable crap they have to defend with their lives..Basically stupid crap.  I live in a fairly high income area and build cabinets, but customers are almost always pleading poverty when it comes to the paint or whether to use expensive drawer slides or the cheap crap.. They could have 5 new cars in the driveway, but ask them whether they want heavy duty drawer slides that will last the life of their house or cheap crap from China? It's almost always Chinese crap..Go figure.
Nah..Basic income is just that..Basic, not luxury, not a room at the Carlton Ritz and a not a mega yacht.. Hell, it's not even the choice of high quality drawer slides or cheap Chinese crap slides. It's more the choice of a roof/no roof and eating/ not eating. 

It's not about people voluntarily quitting work to live on UBI.  

It's about AI wiping out so many fields of employment that they're aren't enough better-paying jobs to keep people from needing UBI to survive.  

(04-24-2023, 07:13 PM)samhain Wrote: It's not about people voluntarily quitting work to live on UBI.  

It's about AI wiping out so many fields of employment that they're aren't enough better-paying jobs to keep people from needing UBI to survive.  

Ehh..the automobile was going to wipe out everyone who had a horse. The industrial revolution was going to wipe out manual labor. There are tons of jobs that no longer exist since I started working.. Truth is people either change with the times or they get left behind. We've been reinventing ourselves as a species since we decided to quit chasing down our food on foot..We have the occasional cataclysmic event to wipe out a huge swath of people, but never quite enough to stop human progress.  For the times they are a changing..

(04-26-2023, 02:07 PM)grampahol Wrote: Ehh..the automobile was going to wipe out everyone who had a horse. The industrial revolution was going to wipe out manual labor. There are tons of jobs that no longer exist since I started working.. Truth is people either change with the times or they get left behind. We've been reinventing ourselves as a species since we decided to quit chasing down our food on foot..We have the occasional cataclysmic event to wipe out a huge swath of people, but never quite enough to stop human progress.  For the times they are a changing..

Yeah, it's all fun and games til the gubmint realizes how much money they'll lose when a chunk of their tax base disappears.  There won't be UBI if there's no entity to collect and distribute from a pool of credit.  

Unless, of course the AI figures out how to drain the money from the billionaire class and redistribute it among the masses.  If it's actually logical and sentient, I imagine that concept is a possibility.  

(03-25-2023, 08:48 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: ChatGPT is GREAT!!!

This AI can do a number of things and it is in it's infancy.

What exciting programs have you created???

Counselor.  Anyone DUMB enough to "chat" with something smarter than they are and unknown in motive I would consider ill-advised, undereducated and dealing with questionable decision-making skills.  Sir.  Lol

The defense...rests, YOUR HOSENESS.

S'up OLD friend.  Lol