(04-28-2023, 12:21 PM)OSUfan Wrote: So you are now saying that had you known the output of Hendrickson at the NFL level you would not have found him to be worth the 28th selection? Why did we move to round of selection once it is pointed out that Murphy compares more favorably to Hendrickson than to Hubbard? 

(04-28-2023, 12:25 PM)MasonDT70 Wrote: That he was taken as a high upside low college production player in the 3rd, not the 1st. 

(04-28-2023, 12:21 PM)OSUfan Wrote: So you are now saying that had you known the output of Hendrickson at the NFL level you would not have found him to be worth the 28th selection? Why did we move to round of selection once it is pointed out that Murphy compares more favorably to Hendrickson than to Hubbard? 

(04-28-2023, 12:28 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Hendrickson also has more physical limitations than Murphy. Short arms being the biggest one

(04-28-2023, 12:25 PM)MasonDT70 Wrote: That he was taken as a high upside low college production player in the 3rd, not the 1st. 

(04-28-2023, 12:33 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I guess I am lost on your point. You never mentioned the 3rd round while you were trying to downgrade the selection of Murphy by putting him in the talent range of Sam Hubbard. You also referenced lack of double digit sacks as part of the reasoning for this evaluation you have made. Once it was pointed out that his production was similar to that of Hendrickson in college you suddenly turned to round drafted as your point.


The bottom line is that Murphy was a low upper to middle of the 1st round graded talent. The Bengals were fortunate to have the opportunity to select him where they did no matter what his sack totals were at the collegiate level. The draft is about projection more than it is about anything. His traits compare favorably to his ranking and projection.


So who would have been the better value selection that was available at 28? That is what I have not seen you post.

(04-28-2023, 12:47 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I still think we need someone who can pressure from the middle on defense and we are still thin at CB. Im guessing we go DT or CB in the 2nd round and go after TE in the 3rd.

(04-28-2023, 12:38 PM)MasonDT70 Wrote: I've said a few times there wasn't anyone I thought was a great pick there. Also Hendrickson college production blows Murphys out of the water. I understand the pick like I've also said. I feel like he was more of a 2nd rounder. Same to travon walker last year, great athlete, not great production on a good team with other 1st round players on the line. They both compare rather similarly imo.

(04-28-2023, 12:55 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: They will slide Murphy to inside on some passing downs. The next pick will be hopefully Charbonett, La Porta, or Darius Rush a CB

(04-28-2023, 12:55 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: They will slide Murphy to inside on some passing downs. The next pick will be hopefully Charbonett, La Porta, or Darius Rush a CB

(04-28-2023, 01:57 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Sliding Murphy inside at times could certainly help but I think it would be nice to also have a DT to get pressure up the middle at the same time Murphy is at DE.  The more guys you have on the D-line getting pressure at once the better the defense will be. 

Im not sure any DT like that would be available in round 2 but it would be nice to have a DT that can get pressure up the middle.

(04-28-2023, 11:57 AM)OSUfan Wrote: Looking at this with some perspective:


* 28 selections prior to the Bengals pick. 
* Steelers hold 2 of them selections and are unlikely to select a TE at either spot so 26 selections.
* Detroit holds 3 of those selections and are unlikely taking more than 1 TE with any of those 3. So 24 selections.
* Packers hold 2 of those selections and are not likely to take 2 TEs so 23 selections.
* Of these 23 selections there are 12 teams that given the odds may possibly select a TE.
* Your projection of 5 TEs being taken would mean that over 41% of those possible selections are going to be TEs. I do not see that as very likely

(04-28-2023, 12:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sure wouldn't mind adding a DT like Keeanu Benton for a future Reader replacement or a 3-tech like Karl Brooks in the 3rd or 4th.


Yeah, I think one of the top 5 TE's will be there at 60 for sure. Hoping it is Washington.

(04-28-2023, 04:42 PM)Synric Wrote: We want to see Defensive Line coming off the board early and often tonight.

(04-28-2023, 12:38 PM)MasonDT70 Wrote: I've said a few times there wasn't anyone I thought was a great pick there. Also Hendrickson college production blows Murphys out of the water. I understand the pick like I've also said. I feel like he was more of a 2nd rounder. Same to travon walker last year, great athlete, not great production on a good team with other 1st round players on the line. They both compare rather similarly imo.

(04-28-2023, 03:28 PM)OSUfan Wrote: If Washington is not there at 60 then I am hoping one of my personal favorites, Tucker Kraft, is there.

(04-28-2023, 04:42 PM)Synric Wrote: We want to see Defensive Line coming off the board early and often tonight.

(04-28-2023, 05:31 PM)Stewy Wrote: This thread is going to be comical and I'm going to need popcorn when we don't pick a TE until the 4th rnd or later.

(04-28-2023, 05:37 PM)SladeX Wrote: You act like we’re picking in the top 10. Way too used to our losing ways, I guess. This is a fantastic pick at 28. No way he was falling to 2nd round. 

I am DAMN GLAD he’s on our roster, as opposed to say, the Chiefs.

Seriously, who else would you have picked at twenty frickin eight?