(02-08-2024, 11:30 AM)kalibengal Wrote: what is interesting about the slower comment: I recall him having alot more break away explosive runs than Mixon

Mixon had 27 runs over 10 yards, Jacobs had 9, this season.

(02-08-2024, 10:08 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Where is that?

QB Stat
10th in total pressures given up
24th in sacks

RB stat
6th in yards before contact
30th in yards after contact

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(02-08-2024, 12:37 PM)casear2727 Wrote: QB Stat
10th in total pressures given up
24th in sacks

RB stat
6th in yards before contact
30th in yards after contact

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(02-08-2024, 01:10 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Josh Jaocbs is slower than Mixon and wants 12M per year over at least 3 years.  He averaged 3.5 yards per attempt last season.  Mixon averaged 4.0. 

Not sure how great of an idea this would be....?

If being a back was just about speed, it would be a lot easier and there would be a lot more backs in the NFL.

Mixon's yards after contact, at one point in the season, were something like 40th out of 54 qualifying backs.

Sports Illustrated pointed out how terrible he was in that article from November 30th.

(02-08-2024, 12:09 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: FA RB should be nowhere on the Bengals radar with the contracts they already have to work out. 

A good front office would be able to take care of our own guys while also looking to improve the team. 

Let's hope ours stepped their game up.

(02-08-2024, 01:30 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: If being a back was just about speed, it would be a lot easier and there would be a lot more backs in the NFL.

Mixon's yards after contact, at one point in the season, were something like 40th out of 54 qualifying backs.

Sports Illustrated pointed out how terrible he was in that article from November 30th.

A good front office would be able to take care of our own guys while also looking to improve the team. 

Let's hope ours stepped their game up.

LOL, Mixon wasnt good, but he was twice as good as Jacobs, cost less and doesnt have a bad quad. 

Im all for upgrading Mixon, but Jacobs doesnt seem to be that guy today.

(02-08-2024, 11:30 AM)kalibengal Wrote: what is interesting about the slower comment: I recall him having alot more break away explosive runs than Mixon

Mixon had more 10+ yard runs, but Jacobs had more 30+.

Rushes of 10+ yards:
Mixon - 27
Jacobs - 9

Rushes of 20+:
Mixon - 3
Jacobs - 3

Rushes of 30+:
Mixon - 1
Jacobs - 2

Rushes of 40+:
Mixon - 1
Jacobs - 2

Rushes of 50+:
Mixon - 0
Jacobs - 1

(02-08-2024, 03:14 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Mixon had more 10+ yard runs, but Jacobs had more 30+.

Rushes of 10+ yards:
Mixon - 27
Jacobs - 9

Rushes of 20+:
Mixon - 3
Jacobs - 3

Rushes of 30+:
Mixon - 1
Jacobs - 2

Rushes of 40+:
Mixon - 1
Jacobs - 2

Rushes of 50+:
Mixon - 0
Jacobs - 1

Seriously?   The 50+ run includes the 40+, 30+ and 20+, so  that 1 run includes 4 you gave him credit for.  

Mixon had 27 runs of 10+
Jacobs had 9 runs of 10+

Mixon had 3 runs > 20
Jacobs had 3 runs > 20

Mixon had 1 run > 40
Jacobs had 2 runs > 40


So Jacobs had a whopping ONE more long run, while having 18 less over 10+

(02-08-2024, 04:35 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Seriously?   The 50+ run includes the 40+, 30+ and 20+, so  that 1 run includes 4 you gave him credit for.  

Mixon had 27 runs of 10+
Jacobs had 9 runs of 10+

Mixon had 3 runs > 20
Jacobs had 3 runs > 20

Mixon had 1 run > 40
Jacobs had 2 runs > 40


So Jacobs had a whopping ONE more long run, while having 18 less over 10+

If that's the case, they should change the labeling to be like 30-39, 40-49, etc.
It seems kinda dumb to say two 40+, which includes the one 50+.

I think every time we see Jacobs he looks good. But folks outside of the Jungle can say the same thing about Mixon given he shines in primetime.

(02-08-2024, 05:05 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think every time we see Jacobs he looks good. But folks outside of the Jungle can say the same thing about Mixon given he shines in primetime.

Jacobs was awesome in 2022, he was not good in 2023.  I think many have memories from the season before last.  Who knows the impact of his quad moving forward?

(02-08-2024, 01:34 PM)casear2727 Wrote: LOL, Mixon wasnt good, but he was twice as good as Jacobs, cost less and doesnt have a bad quad. 

Im all for upgrading Mixon, but Jacobs doesnt seem to be that guy today.

Maybe he was last season but, like I said, that might be due to the hold out and whatever.

He was a bad-ass in 2022.

Pair him with Burrow and he'll do damage.

(02-08-2024, 05:33 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Maybe he was last season but, like I said, that might be due to the hold out and whatever.

He was a bad-ass in 2022.

Pair him with Burrow and he'll do damage.

Living in the past with injured RBs is bad business and almost never leads to future improved play.  You know better than this Brad.

(02-08-2024, 04:35 PM)casear2727 Wrote: So Jacobs had a whopping ONE more long run, while having 18 less over 10+

Neither is the answer for us, but Mixon's 1 long run and 5 of his 10+ came against a backup lineup.

Pass. Nothing against the guy, as I don't watch Faders games and know little to nothing about him. For me, it's the money. I prefer RB money spent at RT. Or TE1. Or DLine. Hell, even FS at this point. We can find RBs with fresher legs in the draft at a fraction of the price of a *most likely* expensive vet looking for his first big boy payday.

(02-08-2024, 06:22 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Neither is the answer for us, but Mixon's 1 long run and 5 of his 10+ came against a backup lineup.

Mixon brings durability to the position and ball security.

He is cheaper than Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley. I would be open minded about bringing in a Free Agent but

I lean towards keeping Mixon with Chase Brown in 2024 & trying to bubble up a rookie through the 2024 Draft.

Hope to hit like the Rams did on 5th rounder Kyren Williams or like Miami did with 3rd rounder De'von Achane.

Notre Dame RB Audric Estime looks interesting in the 2024 Draft (he played with Kyren Williams at Notre Dame) but 

let's see how all the RBs test at the Combine. There should be a few solid Draft options to choose from to add to Mixon & Brown.

(02-08-2024, 06:22 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Neither is the answer for us, but Mixon's 1 long run and 5 of his 10+ came against a backup lineup.

Mixon
1/22 Clev
1/14 Balt
1/14 LAR
1/13 Tenn
1/10 AZ
1/20 SF
1/12 Bills
1/15 Hou
1/15 Balt
1/18 Jax
1/18 Colts
1/10 Minn
1/13 Pitt
1/14 KC
1/44 Clev

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3116385/joe-mixon

I would stick with Mixon over Jacobs. We know what we're getting with Mixon. Mixon is still a good back.

(02-08-2024, 04:35 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Seriously?   The 50+ run includes the 40+, 30+ and 20+, so  that 1 run includes 4 you gave him credit for.  

Mixon had 27 runs of 10+
Jacobs had 9 runs of 10+

Mixon had 3 runs > 20
Jacobs had 3 runs > 20

Mixon had 1 run > 40
Jacobs had 2 runs > 40


So Jacobs had a whopping ONE more long run, while having 18 less over 10+

I'm no big Mixon fan, but I must admit I found the funny as well. To dude's credit he didn't break it down by 5 yards intervals.

25 Yards: JJ>JM
30 Yards: JJ>JM
35 Yards: JJ>JM
40 Yards: JJ>JM
45 Yards: JJ>JM
50 Yards: JJ>JM
Almost 55 Yards: JJ>JM
Closest to 60 Yards: JJ>JM
Half 100 yards: JJ>JM

I'd rather draft this young man to pair with Brown.
Thunder & Lightning.

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(02-08-2024, 11:01 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I am not sure, but here is where I found some advanced rushing stats.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-rb.php

According to this, Mixon was:
Avg Yards Before Contact = 2.6 (leading rusher with 100+ rushing attempts was Achane at 4.7)
Avg Yards After Contact = 1.4 (leading rusher with 100+ rush attempts was also Achane at 3.0. Chase Brown was actually right after Achane at 2.9)
Mixon had only 5 runs of 20+ yards the entire season, none of which were 50+ yards.

I like Mixon, but he's not a home run threat (anymore at least).

What I want to know is how a guy like James Conner, who's not exactly thought of as fast, averaged 3.0 before contact and 5.0 overall?  Hell, he had a career year on a very suspect Arizona Cardinals team.