(05-10-2024, 12:35 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I see Brown as an upgrade over Jonah who lacked the strength to play LT or RT. I see Mims as upgrade over Jonah as well. The AFCN is a stacked on the DL and pass rush specialists like Watt and Garrett. Ravens are stacked at DT. We need strong OL to compete against these teams.

He is a rookie and lacks the experience of Williams, but I can see him starting at RT late in 2024 over Brown.

I love our OL now, great addition of Brown and Mims and also love the center from Miami for the future we got in round 7.

if these guys have the endurance to play the full season... to their potential we should be in better shape for sure.

Dont even need a 6th OL for the heavy set

(05-09-2024, 03:34 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets hope it works out but just never know with injuries,others stay healthy in college and then get hurt in NFL... Eifert was very healthy in college and we know how NFL went.. Burrow overall healthy in college and has not been in NFL..

Munoz had injury problems in college, but was great until the very end of his career.

Injuries are always a concern, however:

"After all, the only full season Munoz played at USC was in 1978, his sophomore year. As a freshman Anthony tore ligaments in his right knee in the ninth game of the season. As a junior he tore ligaments in the same knee in the seventh game. Then, as a senior he tore ligaments in his left knee in the season opener."

I think we all know how this turned out.

I think we all know how that turned out but it was a gamble...

Mims was a great pick and really should have gone earlier. He has elite physical tools and while inexperienced (not a ton of tape) is not raw. In fact his play on the tape there is looks elite in pass protection. Once he gets seasoned a bit we have an anchor for the right side to pair with OBJr on the left.

(05-10-2024, 11:24 AM)jason Wrote: Blaming his missed games and practices completely on being hit is every bit as disingenuous... The calf and appendix come to mind. There's some bad luck and bad management in there as well.

That's the thing. Many look for a "donkey" to pin the tail on, to serve as the absolute single reason as to why Joe Burrow has had difficulty in maintaining sound health; When in reality it's been a multitude of factors, with poor timing and bad luck coming into play in the issues that you mentioned. Sure, the OL was completely the main problem when his knee was injured, but there were also issues of holding the ball too long and not changing the formation and play selection often enough to keep the pass rush off balance.

The quantity of hits Burrow has endured was by choice. It's the price they were willing to pay for passing on Sewell to draft Chase.

His earned injury prone label is legit.

Hopefully these new additions can help solve that if it's not too late. The fear is it is.

(05-10-2024, 12:54 PM)jj22 Wrote: The quantity of hits Burrow has endured was by choice. It's the price they were willing to pay for passing on Sewell to draft Chase.

His earned injury prone label is legit.

Hopefully these new additions can help solve that if it's not too late. The fear is it is.

Who's talking about it being "too late" for Joe to lead the team to Superbowl glory? Because it's certainly not too late for Joe to put a string of several healthy seasons together, he's only 27, not 47...

(05-10-2024, 12:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's the thing. Many look for a "donkey" to pin the tail on, to serve as the absolute single reason as to why Joe Burrow has had difficulty in maintaining sound health, when in reality it's been a multitude of factors, with poor timing and bad luck coming into play in the issues that you mentioned. Sure, the OL was completely the main problem when his knee was injured, but there were also issues of holding the ball too long and not changing the formation and play selection often enough to keep the pass rush off balance.

Burrow will always hold the ball; it's his style as he is always looking to make the bigger play if possible. The other big issue is that, yes, the offensive system has been pretty OL unfriendly. Predictable play selection, overuse of shotgun and (especially with the extensive shotgun) problems with RB pass protection let defenses tee off on the line because it was too predictable. Notice we started to try to break tendencies and go under center more after the calf was good and suddenly the line looked a lot better, even above average. Then the fluke wrist injury happened and Browning had his time which still saw us breaking tendencies (so the blocking was good) but then he also started holding the ball WAY too long and caused some sacks where faster throws in at least 2 cases would have been TDs. 

The OL is not the dog some keep trying to portray it as, and we have threads here with stats that show this. And remember, even with the injuries we were a dropped TD pass by Boyd away from making the playoffs last season. So this team is not garbage - far from it. 

(05-09-2024, 03:00 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If this guy even half way lives up to the hype and potential surrounding his abilities, the Bengals will be in great shape at the RT spot for years to come.

Honestly doesn't surprise me. When I first heard of Mims only having only 8 games as a starter I was against him instantly until I saw 
the film and learned that he had a lot more snaps than those 8 starts insinuate, but was banged up for various reasons and had great 
players to compete against. You watch his film and you see a huge, athletic OL that has great balance and untapped potential. 

Mims looks completely polished against elite competition in the SEC on a Championship team. He handled JT the End of OSU that gave 
all the other OT's in this class tons of problems with his speed/strength combo. Mims can handle speed or power, something you cannot 
say about big Tackles like Orlando Brown etc.

Amarius Mims moves like a giant TE out there. Just a freak of nature. He doesn't move like a 340 pound man that is 6'8".

When I saw the film of the best chances to be a Bengal my 2 favorite players ended up being Byron Murphy and Amarius Mims, but my 
nod in the end went to Mims even if I loved Murphy. I would of been a bit sad if we passed up on Mims, and was a bit surprised Murphy
went ahead of us to the Seahawks who I thought would of taken Fautanu. But I am not sad we have Mims and didn't get Murphy.

(05-10-2024, 12:52 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That's the thing. Many look for a "donkey" to pin the tail on, to serve as the absolute single reason as to why Joe Burrow has had difficulty in maintaining sound health; When in reality it's been a multitude of factors, with poor timing and bad luck coming into play in the issues that you mentioned. Sure, the OL was completely the main problem when his knee was injured, but there were also issues of holding the ball too long and not changing the formation and play selection often enough to keep the pass rush off balance.

You're right, and I didn't even take Joe's willingness to get hit into account in my post.

(05-10-2024, 12:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Who's talking about it being "too late" for Joe to lead the team to Superbowl glory? Because it's certainly not too late for Joe to put a string of several healthy seasons together, he's only 27, not 47...

One more lost season due to injury and all other seasons is going to be a hope wish and prayer he makes it through. 

When he's mentioned currently it's already followed up with "when healthy". One more injury and there won't me much faith he will ever be / stay healthy. He'll have more years trying to play and stringing the team and fans along with false hope, I'm sure (he won't quit like Luck), but his career will be over for what we had hoped it would have become.

Folks may be slow to realize the dangerous waters we are treading with Burrows career. He'll already never be without pain in his wrist.... It's something he'll have to manage. He is only 27 but has the body of a 47 year old. Folks kept saying the beating he's taken hasn't had any effect, but he's clearly been feeling it as he stated himself he's ignored the pain and injuries over the years to continue to play and practice.

We are probably living season by season (game by game) with Burrow at this point. Nothing surrounding his availability is guaranteed.

(05-10-2024, 12:42 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Injuries are always a concern, however:

"After all, the only full season Munoz played at USC was in 1978, his sophomore year. As a freshman Anthony tore ligaments in his right knee in the ninth game of the season. As a junior he tore ligaments in the same knee in the seventh game. Then, as a senior he tore ligaments in his left knee in the season opener."

I think we all know how this turned out.

It obviously was'nt the ACL & MCL..... I assume. He would've never played a down in the NFL.

(05-10-2024, 02:14 PM)jj22 Wrote: One more lost season due to injury and all other seasons is going to be a hope wish and prayer he makes it through. 

When he's mentioned currently it's already followed up with "when healthy". One more injury and there won't me much faith he will ever be / stay healthy. He'll have more years trying to play and stringing the team and fans along with false hope, I'm sure (he won't quit like Luck), but his career will be over for what we had hoped it would have become.

Folks may be slow to realize the dangerous waters we are treading with Burrows career. He'll already never be without pain in his wrist.... It's something he'll have to manage. He is only 27 but has the body of a 47 year old. Folks kept saying the beating he's taken hasn't had any effect, but he's clearly been feeling it as he stated himself  he's ignored the pain and injuries over the years to continue to play and practice.

We are probably living season by season (game by game) with Burrow at this point. Nothing surrounding his availability is guaranteed.

The concerns are he's following the same path as Andrew Luck.
The Colts never really put a good OL in front of Luck, expecting him to make wine out of water.
It's crazy that a 4-time Pro Bowler only played 6 seasons then retired by the age of 30.

Luck ran for ~40-60 times in a season.
Burrow ran 37 times in his 10 games as a rookie, 31 times last year in 10 games, and 40 and 75 times in his two full seasons 2021-2022.

While I don't think Burrow retires as early as Luck did unless injuries force him to, Burrow has the same hero mentality that Luck had and might be injured frequently in his career.

(05-09-2024, 03:34 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets hope it works out but just never know with injuries,others stay healthy in college and then get hurt in NFL... Eifert was very healthy in college and we know how NFL went.. Burrow overall healthy in college and has not been in NFL..

Yes we do, shittsberg put numerous late and vagilent hits on him and ruined his career!

(05-10-2024, 03:04 PM)ochocincos Wrote: The concerns are he's following the same path as Andrew Luck.
The Colts never really put a good OL in front of Luck, expecting him to make wine out of water.
It's crazy that a 4-time Pro Bowler only played 6 seasons then retired by the age of 30.

Luck ran for ~40-60 times in a season.
Burrow ran 37 times in his 10 games as a rookie, 31 times last year in 10 games, and 40 and 75 times in his two full seasons 2021-2022.

While I don't think Burrow retires as early as Luck did unless injuries force him to, Burrow has the same hero mentality that Luck had and might be injured frequently in his career.

One of Luck’s worst injuries was a snowboarding accident. People tend to continently leave that out.

(05-10-2024, 02:14 PM)jj22 Wrote: Folks may be slow to realize the dangerous waters we are treading with Burrows career. He'll already never be without pain in his wrist.... It's something he'll have to manage. He is only 27 but has the body of a 47 year old. Folks kept saying the beating he's taken hasn't had any effect, but he's clearly been feeling it as he stated himself  he's ignored the pain and injuries over the years to continue to play and practice.

Lol, this man spends his every waking moment taking care of his body, weather it be rehabbing from an injury, or keeping himself at the peak of physical conditioning in order to keep his body healthy to perform his job.  Have you taken a look at him lately, compared to his first two years? The guy is solid and strong, and he's moving around looking athletic and smooth. 

Don't allow yourself to buy into that doomsday logic of thinking that just because he's had a few setbacks that he's not still prime for the job.

(05-10-2024, 03:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lol, this man spends his every waking moment taking care of his body, weather it be rehabbing from an injury, or keeping himself at the peak of physical conditioning in order to keep his body healthy to perform his job.  Have you taken a look at him lately, compared to his first two years? The guy is solid and strong, and he's moving around looking athletic and smooth. 

Don't allow yourself to buy into that doomsday logic of thinking that just because he's had a few setbacks that he's not still prime for the job.

I like JJ22, but this is a tired argument by him. Joe Burrow is still in his prime and just put way more muscle on himself in the Offseason
to help prevent injuries similar to what Michael Jordan did when the Knicks and Pistons were hammering him back in the day. 

It is doomsday logic to think Joe Burrow is Andrew Luck and like Nicomo said, people conveniently leave out the snowboarding accident.

Burrow is all about ball.

(05-10-2024, 03:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: One of Luck’s worst injuries was a snowboarding accident. People tend to continently leave that out.

Probably because Luck retired after 2018, and Luck wasn't a Bengal, so most (around here) don't remember every single injury.
They just remember he was injured a lot.

I'm not one to blame the OL on the thumb injury. A player can fall awkwardly and put their hand down and their hand is jacked up from bracing their fall.
I also don't put any blame on the OL for the training camp injury.
The only injury I put on the OL was the 2020 leg injury.

Whether someone is to blame or not, Burrow has either missed a lot of games or played poorly in some games due to an injury multiple times in the past 4 seasons.
Constant injuries can end up shortening a career.
Hope it doesn't happen to Burrow.
I'd like to hope Burrow has another 10+ years in him.

(05-10-2024, 03:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Lol, this man spends his every waking moment taking care of his body, weather it be rehabbing from an injury, or keeping himself at the peak of physical conditioning in order to keep his body healthy to perform his job.  Have you taken a look at him lately, compared to his first two years? The guy is solid and strong, and he's moving around looking athletic and smooth. 

Don't allow yourself to buy into that doomsday logic of thinking that just because he's had a few setbacks that he's not still prime for the job.

He just stated - his own words, he's been feeling playing and practicing through pain and  things he shouldn't have. I think it's fans acting like he's felt nothing that I wonder how they'd think they'd feel if they took the beatings he's taken the last 4 years.

There's a reason these players retire and can't walk up steps or play with their kids. Are knock kneed, and have toes removed, and 20+ surgeries by the age of 35. I think it's "us" who act like they are invincible or super hero's when in fact they are human. They are feeling pain. The worse thing we can do as fans is treat them like they don't. The best thing we can do is acknowledge and respect their sacrifice to their bodies to play the sport they love.

His admission to what all he's played and practiced through should be heard.