(06-17-2024, 03:25 PM)Joelist Wrote: We'll be better than some expect.

Moss is a different type of RB than Mixon with different strengths. He is not so much about speed and home runs as he is about breaking the first tackle / making the first defender miss, pass protection and balance - he stays on his feet. Goodberry upon careful tape study said he reminds somewhat of Rudi Johnson. I agree. Expect Moss to get plenty of carries.

Chase Brown is the "lightning" in the backfield. He needs to work on his pass protection and tackle breaks but he is a home run threat every time he gets the ball. Unlike Moss Brown likes the edge but he also is plenty fast enough to gain it.

Trayveon Williams is a known quantity. When healthy he is a reliable spot duty back. The one I think will be gone is Chris Evans. In my upset special I have the Bengals going with Noah Cain as RB4 because he is a bruising power back.

Expect the Bengals run game to look different not just in frequency but HOW they run too. This RB group suggest much more inside work and using power schemes which also play into what our lineman like to do - block downhill.

I think if our RB improves it will be more finally having a Oline with some solid veterans , I understand Moss has some positives over Mixon but he also have some big negatives in the passing game and we will don;t know is here able to take a year load of starting. I will we had a 3 down back on the roster but we don;t so hopefully this inexperienced RB will be able to piece a running and passing game together

(06-18-2024, 07:12 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I think if our RB improves it will be more finally having a Oline with some solid veterans , I understand Moss has some positives over Mixon but he also have some  big negatives in the passing game and we will don;t know is here able to take a year load of starting.  I will we had a 3 down back on the roster but we don;t so hopefully this inexperienced RB will be able to piece a running and passing game together

Yeah, I mean people are arguing scheme and OL improvement, but that doesn't affect how much talent is in the actual RB room, which is what we're ranking here.

(06-19-2024, 09:56 AM)Whatever Wrote: Yeah, I mean people are arguing scheme and OL improvement, but that doesn't affect how much talent is in the actual RB room, which is what we're ranking here.

True, Mixon is definitely more talented than Zack Moss, especially in the passing game. But as far as who fits the Offense more Moss surely 
does and that is why I think he will have a better season this year than Mixon has had as of late at least as far as productivity. Moss shouldn't
have nearly as many snaps as Mixon, as it should be RBBC with Moss and Chase Brown.

But being more productive is where it is at and I think these RB's should be much more productive this season with better OL play.

Sure will help not always being in the Shotgun with our OL on their heels.

PFF has us bottom 3.

Hard not to agree.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/pff-ranks-bengals-running-back-room-among-nfl-s-bottom-three-units-01j0tkcvfvfx

Poorly written article stub. Relies on PFF synthetic grades which are virtually always questionable. Not a word about matching the player to the scheme which in football is critical - and Moss matches the scheme better than Mixon did.

So, as another discussion point, PFF has our RB's ranked 30th. Their write up is as follows...

The Bengals signed Zack Moss this offseason to replace Joe Mixon, who the team traded to the Texans. Moss has recorded steady rushing grades in the 70.0s in each of his four seasons with a healthy yards per carry average right around 4.0.

Cincinnati also has Chase Brown, their fifth-round pick from 2023, to bring some added speed to the backfield. Brown had a tough rookie season, recording a 59.0 rushing grade.

(06-26-2024, 04:19 PM)Whatever Wrote: So, as another discussion point, PFF has our RB's ranked 30th.  Their write up is as follows...

The Bengals signed Zack Moss this offseason to replace Joe Mixon, who the team traded to the Texans. Moss has recorded steady rushing grades in the 70.0s in each of his four seasons with a healthy yards per carry average right around 4.0.

Cincinnati also has Chase Brown, their fifth-round pick from 2023, to bring some added speed to the backfield. Brown had a tough rookie season, recording a 59.0 rushing grade.

Hard to disagree until we see better. Moss and Chase Brown don't have a lot of carries in the NFL, heck Brown only had 44 last year.

Trayveon Williams is a decent ST'er and Kick Returner but he isn't a gamebreaker. Chris Evans has done next to nothing in the pros and always
seems to be in the coaches dog house. I would like to add Jerrick McKinnon who is a solid vet who can catch the ball out of the backfield and 
pass protect.

I do really like what I saw from Chase Brown in Synric's thread along with Yoshi though. Brown improved a crazy amount in route running and
pass catching in just a couple months and we all saw how he can break a screen to the house last year.

Like many I voted 20-26. While Moss is not a fast as Mixon, I don't see him as any worse in short yardage. I also think that Moss will be as good as Mixon between the tackles with Trent Brown being an upgrade to Jonah. The Bengals never needed Mixon to be a home run back.. which is good because despite his athleticism he never was.
Chase is like Gio, although not half the blocker that Gio was. Chase is not going to break out unless he can work in space, which requires Burrow to throw downfield. That would require Irwin/Burton/Jones/Iosivas to be a downfield threat. Maybe Burrow will acquire chemistry with somebody other than Chase. Still, I expect the offense to be good enough to allow the Bengals to run more in the 4th quarter, which will keep them out of the basement running-wise.

Edit: BTW, next year's draft is filled with RBs of all types. Right now rankings are 3 1st rounders, 3 2nd, and 3 3rd.

Can we call the RB room Zack Brown Ran

(06-27-2024, 12:18 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Can we call the RB room Zack Brown Ran

I'll have to take that to the nickname board.

The problem with trying to rank our RB room is right now it does not have a lot of carries - there is not a lot of film on them even on Moss there is more but not tons. But we do know enough to draw some general points. For example, Moss is a much better scheme fit than Mixon was and a far better pass protector. Also, Brown has elite speed and he did show up for OTAs bigger - whether his technique has also upgraded needs to be seen.

(06-29-2024, 02:01 PM)Joelist Wrote: The problem with trying to rank our RB room is right now it does not have a lot of carries - there is not a lot of film on them even on Moss there is more but not tons. But we do know enough to draw some general points. For example, Moss is a much better scheme fit than Mixon was and a far better pass protector. Also, Brown has elite speed and he did show up for OTAs bigger - whether his technique has also upgraded needs to be seen.

Yeah, we don't know how good this RB room can be at this point at all.

Especially if the OL isn't always playing in Shotgun.

The good thing is Zack Moss was the best RB running out of the Shotgun last year in the entire NFL.

Pretty sure, Mixon was one of the worst RB's running out of the Shotgun.

Kirwan and Milz ranked our RB room today; it was pitiful to listen to. But I could not disagree with any of it.

Most "eye-opening" stat. Our entire RB corps has 14 NFL rushing TDs combined and they all came from 1 guy who has taken 4 years to get there

Any updates from camp on these RB’s? It’s been pretty quiet.

That’s probably not good as people go out of their way to highlight and embellish the tiniest of positives seen; even if it’s one run / play.

“OMG! Moss broke a tackle and ran for a whopping 5 yards today! He is going to be the next Corey Dillon! SB baby!!” Lol

(07-16-2024, 07:26 AM)Whacked Wrote: Any updates from camp on these RB’s? It’s been pretty quiet.

That’s probably not good as people go out of their way to highlight and embellish the tiniest of positives seen; even if it’s one run / play.

“OMG! Moss broke a tackle and ran for a whopping 5 yards today! He is going to be the next Corey Dillon! SB baby!!” Lol

Camp hasn't started quite yet. It begins this weekend, so we'll start hearing more then. Also, 3 & 1/2 weeks until the pre-season opener where we will see these guys get plenty of game time. 

(07-15-2024, 11:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Kirwan and Milz ranked our RB room today; it was pitiful to listen to. But I could not disagree with any of it.

Most "eye-opening" stat. Our entire RB corps has 14 NFL rushing TDs combined and they all came from 1 guy who has taken 4 years to get there

Well one of our RB's is only in his 2nd season and the other just started getting snaps last year behind a stud in Jonathan Taylor.

I agree that I cannot disagree with Kirwan and Milz but RB's have to have a chance to shine before they can.

Moss started to shine last year when Taylor went down and Chase Brown shown he is electric on screens.

I am excited to see what these guys can do. Sure wouldn't mind bringing in another RB after cuts though.

(07-16-2024, 09:31 AM)KillerGoose Wrote: Camp hasn't started quite yet. It begins this weekend, so we'll start hearing more then. Also, 3 & 1/2 weeks until the pre-season opener where we will see these guys get plenty of game time. 

Yes, once Training Camp begins we should start seeing some hype specifically with Chase Brown and his speed.

Sure looks 10 times better as a pass catcher/route runner than he did 3 months ago from some vids I saw in the Brown/Yoshi thread.

(07-15-2024, 11:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Kirwan and Milz ranked our RB room today; it was pitiful to listen to. But I could not disagree with any of it.

Most "eye-opening" stat. Our entire RB corps has 14 NFL rushing TDs combined and they all came from 1 guy who has taken 4 years to get there

I think it's fair to say that we have some talent in the RB room. I think we're going to see more screens and wide gap zone type of carries which allows for more cut-back lanes/type of runs. 

I will say that a person can absorb and learn a lot when devoting 4 years to a craft or career. It should be interesting to say the least.