(09-11-2024, 10:14 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Like this?  What is he doing?  The line of scrimmage is the 35, why is he running?  Chase has his man beat straight down the middle.  Chase Brown is wide open on the right flat with room to run.

So many examples of this lack of awareness in this game.  

Yeah, I think being gun shy and also running from the pocket are going hand in hand, no pun intended. He did this last year too, when he's hurt he's afraid to get hit.

The fear of getting hit leads to being gun shy, he doesn't stand in the pocket.

(09-11-2024, 10:14 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Like this?  What is he doing?  The line of scrimmage is the 35, why is he running?  Chase has his man beat straight down the middle.  Chase Brown is wide open on the right flat with room to run.

So many examples of this lack of awareness in this game.  

Looks to me like dude is step for step with Chase....

(09-11-2024, 10:17 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Yeah, I think being gun shy and also running from the pocket are going hand in hand, no pun intended. He did this last year too, when he's hurt he's afraid to get hit.

The fear of getting hit leads to being gun shy, he doesn't stand in the pocket.

Yoshi open deep crosser.  Burrow ran again.

Wow Casear, that screen shot is  revealing, exactly what is Joe thinking, 2 targets wide open, well Chase isn't but a typical throw from Joe and chase is off to the endzone. Brown has 10 yards to run before a Pat defender gets to him...

(09-11-2024, 10:20 AM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: Wow Casear, that screen shot is  revealing, exactly what is Joe thinking, 2 targets wide open, well Chase isn't but a typical throw from Joe and chase is off to the endzone. Brown has 10 yards to run before a Pat defender gets to him...

And another, Yoshi is open, Burrow looking at him, doesnt throw and takes a sack.

I think a lot of it may be Burrow got used to throwing to Tee in camp, and all of a sudden he's not there.

When they watch this game film the coaches gotta be asking Joe after they stop the film, "Joe, why didn't you throw it at that point?" That shows a pretty decent pocket for him. I don't get it.

Burrow’s field of view is just not there. Some receivers were open and he just didn’t see them or he knew he couldn’t complete the pass, because of his wrist. Either way, preseason would have worked out those kinks.

(09-11-2024, 10:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I think a lot of it may be Burrow got used to throwing to Tee in camp, and all of a sudden he's not there.

But, Yoshi, Brown and Chase are open targets in Caesar's shots there? These 3 are capable receivers, no?

(09-11-2024, 10:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I think a lot of it may be Burrow got used to throwing to Tee in camp, and all of a sudden he's not there.

Really?  Thats cutting him a lot of slack.  No doubt Tee would have helped, and in my opinion Tee is his go to safety blanket most of the time.  But he looked like a totally different player.  He was panicking, dropping his eyes immediately, it is rough watching the all 22.  

It doesnt seem to be a physical limitation, hopefully he gets his head straight. 

(09-11-2024, 10:06 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I'm admittedly still a bit curious as to what Dalton/Marvin/Zimmer's careers would be like if in 2011 Mike Brown opened up the check book and added some Hendrickson and Orlando caliber FAs to those 2011-2015 teams.

5 year span and I think the 3 biggest outside FA contracts they handed out was...
Travelle Wharton: 3yr/$10m
BJGE: 3yr/$9m
Jason Allen: 2yr/$8.2m

Could've been a lot different with a competent center at the very least.

(09-11-2024, 10:14 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Like this?  What is he doing?  The line of scrimmage is the 35, why is he running?  Chase has his man beat straight down the middle.  Chase Brown is wide open on the right flat with room to run.

So many examples of this lack of awareness in this game.  

Chase opened late but Burrow is already running by thr time he uncovers. Now that flat is wide open.

(09-11-2024, 10:20 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Yoshi open deep crosser.  Burrow ran again.

Deep crosser definitely not open Safety sitting right on top ready to drive.

(09-11-2024, 10:14 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Like this?  What is he doing?  The line of scrimmage is the 35, why is he running?  Chase has his man beat straight down the middle.  Chase Brown is wide open on the right flat with room to run.

So many examples of this lack of awareness in this game.  

That was his issue Sunday....he was not seeing a lot of things well at all. That's gotta be rust doesn't it?

(09-11-2024, 10:23 AM)casear2727 Wrote: And another, Yoshi is open, Burrow looking at him, doesnt throw and takes a sack.

Now this one was weird live. I have no idea why Burrow didn't throw the hot read to Chase here with the 6 man pressure cover 1.

(09-11-2024, 10:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: I think a lot of it may be Burrow got used to throwing to Tee in camp, and all of a sudden he's not there.

Lol, wasn't the whole spin zone about Jamarr not practicing based on Burrow being able to build chemistry with the younger receivers? Burrow had plenty of reps throwing to these receivers in camp. Come on. 

(09-11-2024, 11:08 AM)Synric Wrote: Chase opened late but Burrow is already running by thr time he uncovers. Now that flat is wide open.

Burrow should NOT be running so early!   Cannot be argued.

(09-11-2024, 11:09 AM)Synric Wrote: Deep crosser definitely not open Safety sitting right on top ready to drive.

Deep crosser is DEFINITELY open in the NFL.  Good lord what are you talking about?  There is plenty of separation and if you rewatch the video Yoshi has a step towards the sideline. The safety was absolutely NOT sitting ready to drive, he was not just sitting deep he was running back to that spot.  In the image the safety was in the midst of turning his hips, he came from the opposite side was flipping back.  

 This is the NFL.

(09-11-2024, 11:54 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Burrow should NOT be running so early!   Cannot be argued.

I can't give an accurate assessment of that play without the full thing.

We got 2 stop routes and Irwin doubled on maybe a corner route but he might be breaking post. What was Ja'Marr's route before Joe already has rhe ball tucked in running was it a stop route that turned into a scramble?

(09-11-2024, 11:56 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Deep crosser is DEFINITELY open in the NFL.  Good lord what are you talking about?  There is plenty of separation and if you rewatch the video Yoshi has a step towards the sideline. The safety was in the midst of turning his hips, he came from the opposite side was flipping back. 


 This is the NFL.

No. It's middle of field closed vs a deep crossing route. 


Edit: I'm on vacation but I need to squeeze the all-22 in. I'm not saying Burrow had a good game just need to see it.

(09-11-2024, 12:02 PM)Synric Wrote: I can't give an accurate assessment of that play without the full thing.

We got 2 stop routes and Irwin doubled on maybe a corner route but he might be breaking post. What was Ja'Marr's route before Joe already has rhe ball tucked in running was it a stop route that turned into a scramble?

Chase was running a drag across the middle, he actually broke deep at the very same time the safety began crashing down.  

No way they miss this if Burrow is playing well.