(09-16-2024, 08:49 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: It doesn't matter how "fairly" it's called all game, as long as they make the "wrong" or "right" call at the end. Making it appear fair up until then just fools the easily fooled lol.

Entertaining games are ones that are kept close, rarely games out of hand are "entertaining". People turn them off and some leave the game.

Unless it's Dallas getting smoked at home. In that case, most of America is still watching... and smiling.

(09-16-2024, 07:39 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: While I definitely agree with the premise of this thread I would prefer to be so far ahead in games so the officiating doesn’t matter.

Losing games on penalties sucks.  My general take from this game is this: the Bengals were the better team on the field yesterday, they just couldn't play a clean game.

Unforced errors hurt them far worse than the refs.  The blame goes around.  If Joe takes care of the ball, Bengals win.  Chase doesn't go insane?  Maybe they drive down the field for seven.  McPherson missing that kick was going to sting, and we all knew it right at the moment it happened.  

The Bengals had a chance.  I'm satisfied with Burrow's play overall yesterday, but he's gotta live up to his rep as a killer at some point.  He could have and should have put the knife in them on that last drive.  Instead he gave the ball back to KC with just enough time.  

Can someone tell me why the KC DL just stood there waiting for Burrow to find the open man on the 4th down?

Were they tired, near the end of the 3Q?

I only noticed one DL guy just standing there, live. When I rewatched the play, I could make a case 3 of the 4 were not trying very hard at all. The double teamed (remember, it's 4th down and goal for us) seemed to give up and just wait - 1 just standing, the other using no technique and not making any movement. The 3rd DL guy was close Burrow but spun away from him instead of towards him. The 4th guy I guess was trying.

Something seems unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACQlM7QV7tk&t=562s

9:23 mark

(09-16-2024, 07:32 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I thought it was a pretty evenly called game.

(09-16-2024, 07:37 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: I'm just a fair and honest Bengals fan.

(09-16-2024, 07:41 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: As a fair and honest Bengals fan watching the game live, I thought it was pretty evenly called both ways.

(09-16-2024, 07:49 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Getting upset at a fantom holding call won't make the team better in any regard.

(09-16-2024, 10:19 PM)casear2727 Wrote:

Let me give you a peice of advice dude. Step away from the computer. Live your life.

(09-16-2024, 07:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The bias extends way more than a single play. The one in question is only culmination of an entire game of blatant no-calls on the Chiefs and the Bengals being held to regulation standard. I get that when you break down the play in question that both sides should have been flagged, and they would have replayed 4th and 16. The Bengals deserved that opportunity for the Chiefs to have to face 4th and 16 again.

You can't catch everything.

Hey, if they want to go to an eye in the sky ref I'm all for it.

(09-15-2024, 10:37 PM)casear2727 Wrote:

?BREAKING?NEW FOOTAGE SHOWS A #BENGALS PLAYER WAS HELD BY TWO #CHIEFS LINEMEN, BUT WAS NOT CALLED A PENALTY.

IT WOULD HAVE OFFSET THE PI PENALTY DOWNFIELD, THAT HELPED KC WIN THE GAME.

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Its not just referee bias, its the league office bias. 

How does the defending SB Champions get their first two games at home - against possibly two of their toughest opponents of the year? 

We traveled to KC last season, is it unreasonable to expect they travel to Cincy this season? 

With that said, that game was a good wake up call for our Team. I hope we face them again, with a healthy squad in the playoffs. 

(09-16-2024, 08:24 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: It won't. Unless the rules for incidental contact have changed recently, Anthony was jobbed on one or more of those late game PI calls. They used to let DBs absolutely MUG offensive skill players so long as the ball was in the air and both players were turned around facing the QB. I remember a game when Jim Leonard sealed a game for the Jets by jumping up and using the full force of his weight to knock a Bengals WR down. It was ruled incidental contact because the ball was in the air and both players had their heads turned around. How was that last penalty any different? It's yet another piece of evidence that points to the NFL being little more than a soap opera for men. 

There is a case to be made that Anthony got to the spot first, and Rice kinda backed into him. But they're going to call that DPI in today's NFL. It's pretty damn hard to play defense in this day and age.

(09-17-2024, 09:12 AM)Wyche Wrote: There is a case to be made that Anthony got to the spot first, and Rice kinda backed into him. But they're going to call that DPI in today's NFL. It's pretty damn hard to play defense in this day and age.

I think it was Nance, I don't who on tv, said Anthony's feet weren't planted before jumping up for the ball when he went through him (like a jump ball technique?). Which I never heard of that rule, but it makes sense to have for hail marys in the endzone and why so few flags are called when dbs are doing a jump ball in those situations.

If that rule is true, then yeah, it was definitely interference in that situation because he did more of a running jump for ball and went thru him, at least imo.

All that said, refs should've called flags on their oline on same play negating the pi, but they conveniently didn't.

(09-17-2024, 09:40 AM)Millhouse Wrote: I think it was Nance, I don't who on tv, said Anthony's feet weren't planted before jumping up for the ball when he went through him (like a jump ball technique?). Which I never heard of that rule, but it makes sense to have for hail marys in the endzone and why so few flags are called when dbs are doing a jump ball in those situations.

If that rule is true, then yeah, it was definitely interference in that situation because he did more of a running jump for ball and went thru him, at least imo.

All that said, refs should've called flags on their oline on same play negating the pi, but they conveniently didn't.

Hadn't thought of that....and if so, I agree with you. 

Absolutely should've been offsetting penalties....but without a few critical miscues, the Bengals win anyway. 

I have a theory the refs will make a bad call in favor of the Chiefs opponent (see Chase pulling down McDuffie for a DPI call) just so when they make bad calls in favor of the Chiefs, people will point to that initial bad call to claim the refs aren't biased or are just incompetent.

(09-16-2024, 11:49 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: You can't catch everything.

Hey, if they want to go to an eye in the sky ref I'm all for it.

They are supposed to look at all the plays in New York and that was the biggest play of the game with 2 obvious as can be holds 
with a PI. Offsetting penalties every time on any other play, that wasn't hard to catch and should of been looked at.

(09-17-2024, 10:45 AM)Wyche Wrote: Hadn't thought of that....and if so, I agree with you. 

Absolutely should've been offsetting penalties....but without a few critical miscues, the Bengals win anyway. 

For sure.

(09-17-2024, 11:16 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I have a theory the refs will make a bad call in favor of the Chiefs opponent (see Chase pulling down McDuffie for a DPI call) just so when they make bad calls in favor of the Chiefs, people will point to that initial bad call to claim the refs aren't biased or are just incompetent.

They do try and do make up calls, but McDuffie was allowed to do whatever all day and only got called that one time which was obvious.

Biased and incompetent refs in that game IMO.

(09-17-2024, 01:38 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: They are supposed to look at all the plays in New York and that was the biggest play of the game with 2 obvious as can be holds 
with a PI. Offsetting penalties every time on any other play, that wasn't hard to catch and should of been looked at.


For sure.


They do try and do make up calls, but McDuffie was allowed to do whatever all day and only got called that one time which was obvious.

Biased and incompetent refs in that game IMO.

New York can overturn a call on the field, but they can't correct no calls.

Was contact made? Yes, but not enough to warrant a flag especially given he was making a play on the ball which is the defender's right. Rice sold the minimal contact as well which must be taught in the Chiefs organization along with offensive and defensive holding. Flag should have been kept in the pocket on such a desperation type throw. I assure you Mahomes said in the huddle to sell any potential contact or hold.

(09-17-2024, 11:16 AM)PhilHos Wrote: I have a theory the refs will make a bad call in favor of the Chiefs opponent (see Chase pulling down McDuffie for a DPI call) just so when they make bad calls in favor of the Chiefs, people will point to that initial bad call to claim the refs aren't biased or are just incompetent.

That is what I mentioned above, they can make a ton of calls against the Chiefs during the game, as long as the game is within reach and a call in their favor at the end can help. Foolish people can look back and say "well see they called the game evenly or look 100 calls went against the chiefs, they are not against them!"

These games are always close, that's good, it's entertaining, but it feels unreasonable to always be this close lol.

(09-17-2024, 03:20 PM)BigRed75 Wrote: Was contact made?  Yes, but not enough to warrant a flag especially given he was making a play on the ball which is the defender's right.  Rice sold the minimal contact as well which must be taught in the Chiefs organization along with offensive and defensive holding.  Flag should have been kept in the pocket on such a desperation type throw.  I assure you Mahomes said in the huddle to sell any potential contact or hold.

I am sure Mahomes was laughing his ass off at the 3 man rush, he knew the game was over at that point. Like literally that was ball game, just lining up with 3 and providing no pressure. It would be a completion or DPI. He's at home and he's got the refs, historically speaking. He just had to find any open man, catch it or not, get it in the vicinity, he knew we wouldn't allow the completion and test the refs DPI and lose.

as much as i love to blame the Refs... We Lost by 1 point and we missed 1 XP attempt...

(09-17-2024, 03:24 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: as much as i love to blame the Refs... We Lost by 1 point and we missed 1 XP attempt...

Yes, but had we made that XP attempt, KC probably doesn't go for the 2 point conversion negating the 1 point difference.

(09-17-2024, 03:07 PM)Sled21 Wrote: New York can overturn a call on the field, but they can't correct no calls.

True, still both of those holds were very obvious though, no excuse for it but bias or ineptitude or both. Should of been penalties on both 
teams offsetting and replaying the down IMO.

(09-17-2024, 03:22 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: I am sure Mahomes was laughing his ass off at the 3 man rush, he knew the game was over at that point. Like literally that was ball game, just lining up with 3 and providing no pressure. It would be a completion or DPI. He's at home and he's got the refs, historically speaking. He just had to find any open man, catch it or not, get it in the vicinity, he knew we wouldn't allow the completion and test the refs DPI and lose.

After watching the DPI against Anthony, it looked to me that he was jumping up to catch the ball, and the receiver has backing into to him to get in position to catch the ball. The defensive player has just as much right to catch the ball, why was it not offensive PI. Or at least they shouldn’t have called any PI since both players have a right to catch the ball.