(09-17-2024, 07:43 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Starting to wonder has Chase peaked as a player or has defenses adjusted to him and his style?  Since a monster game 10/8 last 12 games ( I ignored last game of year stats) he is avg 68 yards and scored just 4 TDs. This is not top 5 WR numbers and he has looked pedestrian in route running our first 2 games.

Nah.  Teams have adjusted to limit his explosive plays.  I don't think the Bengals have been very successful yet in countering, by both an effective run game and utilizing the middle of the field more.

That said, if they continue to game plan the TE's and start running the ball more effectively we'll see more of the big plays.  Once those safeties start seriously respecting those other options both he and Tee should really roll.

Hopefully they finally have the personnel to make it work.  

Like it or not Chase has peaked until he has a season that exceed that of his rookie year. People can say what we want, come up with any excuse they want. And wr1's on teams that only have 1 wr1 still get big numbers. Folks hate to hear it but facts are facts.

Is it wrong that I want us to stop coming out slow next season so that we'll stop with these ridiculous posts on how our best players suck now more than just so that we won't start the season behind other teams?

No he is just a being a blow pop right now.

(09-18-2024, 11:51 AM)jj22 Wrote: Like it or not Chase has peaked until he has a season that exceed that of his rookie year. People can say what we want, come up with any excuse they want. And wr1's on teams that only have 1 wr1 still get big numbers. Folks hate to hear it but facts are facts.

That was a bit of my point, though im not saying he is not putting up decent numbers and is not a good WR but as a top 5 WR in the league, the numbers he has been putting up since fall of 2023 are not what we expect even with some variables involved.  My personal opinion is Adams from the Raiders is the top WR when you factor in talent around him, revolving QBs, changes in coaching.

I think next two games are big, we are playing one not so good team in Washington and then the worse team in the NFL in Carolina, it is time for Chase to move up his game or we are going on almost a season of him playing below a top tier WR and that should start to worry people

(09-18-2024, 11:55 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Is it wrong that I want us to stop coming out slow next season so that we'll stop with these ridiculous posts on how our best players suck now more than just so that we won't start the season behind other teams?

Don't forget the annual year end complaining when all these great players that we had numerous threads dedicated to about how much they suck get "snubbed" in All Pro, MVP, Pro Bowl, and NFL100 voting.

If he wants to get paid as the top WR in the NFL, he needs to prove he deserves it on the field. I'm sure sitting out practices has affected his play this year, but that's his fault. He's a diva and it wouldn't break my heart if he doesn't get a 2nd contract here. After the way he showed up his QB last game, Burrow may not mind himself. Someone on here once told me before he got drafted that he wasn't a "me first" type of guy. I'm sorry that person was wrong. Please FO don't pay this guy as a top WR.

Has he peaked? I don't know, let's throw him a few balls down field and find out.

(09-17-2024, 11:52 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Right, and Justin Jefferson never has to deal with that

We are talking about "Chase regressing" not the offensive staffs ability to "scheme him open", which are two completely different things. 

(09-17-2024, 07:43 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Starting to wonder has Chase peaked as a player or has defenses adjusted to him and his style?  Since a monster game 10/8 last 12 games ( I ignored last game of year stats) he is avg 68 yards and scored just 4 TDs. This is not top 5 WR numbers and he has looked pedestrian in route running our first 2 games.

Chase was great out of the gate.
But Chase, like about any other receiver, needs to have some other weapons to go along with him.
Teams will naturally try to double and triple him always if they don't feel the others are a threat.
You only start getting him single covered more often again as teams start going, "Oh, we also need to worry about that guy."

Game 1 there was no one else to worry about.
Game 2 started showing maybe there's something to these TEs. They stepped up and may need more focus on coverage.

A lot of this is also because Higgins is out. Higgins will help draw coverage away from Chase just as Chase has helped draw coverage away from Higgins in years past.

Yeah, Chase has "peaked", nothing to do with blanket double coverage and other mid WRs not being able to get open... mind-numbing.

These are images are on 3rd downs:

(09-17-2024, 07:43 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Starting to wonder has Chase peaked as a player or has defenses adjusted to him and his style?  Since a monster game 10/8 last 12 games ( I ignored last game of year stats) he is avg 68 yards and scored just 4 TDs. This is not top 5 WR numbers and he has looked pedestrian in route running our first 2 games.

Hope people are starting to doubt him. I still think by the end of the season it will be his best which is why I was hoping we got the 
extension done.

(09-17-2024, 10:18 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Look at Joe Mixon balling out at Houston. He’s avg 4.7 ypc and is 7th in rushing.

Joe Mixon had 9 carries for 28 yards in Week 2.

Reality is Joe Mixon balled out against the worst rushing defense in the NFL that is allowing 237 rushing yards PER GAME.

Lets see how the rest of the non-Colts season goes for him.

(09-18-2024, 12:39 AM)bfine32 Wrote:

(09-18-2024, 02:06 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Joe Mixon had 9 carries for 28 yards in Week 2.

Reality is Joe Mixon balled out against the worst rushing defense in the NFL that is allowing 237 rushing yards PER GAME.

Lets see how the rest of the non-Colts season goes for him.

Yep, just like I thought. The inconsistency was going to rear it's ugly head with Mixon again. Remember the Panthers game where he had
like 200 yards rushing and 5 TD's overall? That was like his entire season of "balling out". 

(09-18-2024, 02:02 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hope people are starting to doubt him. I still think by the end of the season it will be his best which is why I was hoping we got the 
extension done.

I hope he starts playing to that level but you have to admit it has been a while since he put "elite" numbers together over a stretch of games

(09-18-2024, 02:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I hope he starts playing to that level but you have to admit it has been a while since he put "elite" numbers together over a stretch of games

And your reasoning as to why he hasnt put up elite numbers is that he.... "peaked"?

(09-18-2024, 02:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I hope he starts playing to that level but you have to admit it has been a while since he put "elite" numbers together over a stretch of games

Well, he had 6 targets and 6 catches against the Pats and should of been targeted more with those numbers. Don't know why they
went away from him when he was doing so well. They couldn't stop him, then we played the Chiefs and McDuffie who only got called
for 1 PI after being able to hold him, facemask him, hip drop tackle him (another play, not the one he was bitching about) and pretty 
much hang all over him all game.

(09-18-2024, 02:19 PM)casear2727 Wrote: And your reasoning as to why he hasnt put up elite numbers is that he.... "peaked"?

In his prime and "peaked". 

I won't say Chase peaked, but if you look at AJ Green's career, his 1st 5 years were his best years, then there was a clear decline. He was still good, and some of it was injuries, but he wasn't elite.

(09-18-2024, 02:26 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Well, he had 6 targets and 6 catches against the Pats and should of been targeted more with those numbers. Don't know why they
went away from him when he was doing so well. They couldn't stop him, then we played the Chiefs and McDuffie who only got called
for 1 PI after being able to hold him, facemask him, hip drop tackle him (another play, not the one he was bitching about) and pretty 
much hang all over him all game.


In his prime and "peaked". 

Spot on! 

Plus the passing scheme hasn't exactly been complex having to keep at least one TE in to block most of the time. Ts, they did do a much better job of opening up the TE aspect of the offense against KC. That's going to give other DCs nightmares and should benefit JC.