(10-11-2024, 09:29 AM)Nepa Wrote: Kudos to all the pithy rejoinders, which get to the point with humor.

But to address the OP with a less witty response: If there is a problem holding for field goals -- and I'm not sure this last one wasn't just a rare mistake -- then someone else can assume the holding job. Tom Brady (early in his career), Brett Favre, and Tony Romo have held for field goals. Backup QBs have held for field goals. Running backs and WRs have held for field goals: Danny Amendola and Hines Ward and Darren Sproles. The bottom line is to have someone who is good at handing the football and good under pressure. Mostly punters do it these days, but it doesn't have to be that way.

But Rekhow as a punter is the best that I have seen in the Bengals uniform. He has not only switched position with his booming punts, and placed the ball inside the 20 (and 10), but even one on the 2 that ended up as a safety. He's regularly hit ones over 60 yards, and I believe has had an 80 yard punt, and is best in the league at both those booming punts and the net yardage. I think his punting right now also ranks him at, or near, the top historically. He is who we have been waiting for.

Yes, assuming the OP is NOT a troll but just football illiterate: if Rekhow really is struggling and has caused more issues than just the miss against Baltimore, you replace him as holder WITH SOMEONE ALREADY ON THE TEAM. Dude has a punt that literally got us 2 points in a game. When's the last time we had a punter do that? But, yeah, let's get rid of the league's best punter (as of this moment) because he supposedly stinks on holding for kicks.

So the answer is yes we will sacrifice steady kicks for punts. If so just say it.

I'm presenting the argument that kicking operations with an elite offense is more important, and booming punts are not necessarily needed (given we shouldn't be punting from deep in our territory. 

Money has struggle. Fact. His missed kicks not counting last game has cost us games. Fact. I don't mind bringing this up, regardless of what yall say.

It's interesting folks blame him for the missed kicks this season.

(10-11-2024, 09:31 AM)Stewy Wrote: Well done JJ22.

There is no risk of you moving out of your slot as the worst poster on these boards.  The bottom 5 thank you for maintaining the cellar.

Yall too busy trying to determine who is the best and worse posters on this board instead of presenting arguments about the thread. No one cares about how yall rank posters. Most of us don't even know who yall posters paying the most attention to us are. I know of casear, nico, frank and a few others from years of throwing curve balls, strikes, sliders, and fast balls by them and watching them flail, swing, miss and strike out in their attempted retorts. You Stewy, I have no idea who your are. Sorry, you haven't caught my attention. But glad I've got yours. I'm sure there's room for you in the peanut gallery. 

What's clear, is yall can't quit me, ignore me, not read my threads, or reply to my posts. Which is a win for me. 

I'm actually one of the best posters for the way I trigger yall into meltdowns, personal attacks, and just overall rough days.

Just to end up right all along months later. 

I'll be keeping an eye on if Money's struggles continue. 

(10-11-2024, 09:36 AM)jj22 Wrote: So the answer is yes we will sacrifice steady kicks for punts. If so just say it.

I'm presenting the argument that kicking operations with an elite offense is more important, and booming punts are not necessarily needed (given we shouldn't be punting from deep in our territory. 

Money has struggle. Fact. His missed kicks not counting last game has cost us games. Fact. I don't mind bringing this up, regardless of what yall say.

It's interesting folks blame him for the missed kicks this season.

McPherson has missed 2 FGs and 1 XP. He's 9 for 11 on FGs and 13 for 14 on XP. So, let's take away the one we KNOW is on Rekhow and/or the LS. That means that out of 24 kicking attempts, McPherson has missed on 2 of them.

Yeah, McPherson has really "struggled" this season.

And just so you're aware, last season, there was not a single kicker who made 100% of their FGs. 

EDIT: You really need to start watching Bengals games before you comment on the players.

We've lost 4 games. I watched that. He's missed key kicks in those losses. I watched that.

And his FG% has shrunk to it's lowest of his career. Fact.

He's had a rough start to the season. Fact.

So the question is why? If it isn't a matter of his comfort with Rehkow holding then are yall saying he's lost his ability to kick consistently? Was paid then fell off?

(10-11-2024, 09:29 AM)Nepa Wrote: Kudos to all the pithy rejoinders, which get to the point with humor.

But to address the OP with a less witty response: If there is a problem holding for field goals -- and I'm not sure this last one wasn't just a rare mistake -- then someone else can assume the holding job. Tom Brady (early in his career), Brett Favre, and Tony Romo have held for field goals. Backup QBs have held for field goals. Running backs and WRs have held for field goals: Danny Amendola and Hines Ward and Darren Sproles. The bottom line is to have someone who is good at handing the football and good under pressure. Mostly punters do it these days, but it doesn't have to be that way.

But Rekhow as a punter is the best that I have seen in the Bengals uniform. He has not only switched position with his booming punts, and placed the ball inside the 20 (and 10), but even one on the 2 that ended up as a safety. He's regularly hit ones over 60 yards, and I believe has had an 80 yard punt, and is best in the league at both those booming punts and the net yardage. I think his punting right now also ranks him at, or near, the top historically. He is who we have been waiting for.

I'm with Nepa. Not willing to give up Rekhows leg. If he can t figure out how to hold a ball certainly someone else on the roster can manage without giving up the big punt. I agree we need the points but with this defense we need the opposing teams pushed back as much as possible too. 

(10-11-2024, 10:00 AM)jj22 Wrote: So the question is why? If it isn't a matter of his comfort with Rehkow holding then are yall saying he's lost his ability to kick consistently? Was paid then fell off?

The majority of folks on here seem to believe that it was a freakish, isolated, one-off incident. I'm sure that if the issue continues to arise, they'll simply plug in a new holder.

I mean sacking Rehkow and brining back a lesser punter for one blunder would be like shit canning Joe Burrow and bringing back Andy Dalton because Burrow has committed turnovers this year that lead directly to losing games that they were leading in. 

But it isn't just the last game Sunset.

Money HAS been money from inside 50. That miss wasn't expected. The missed extra point was odd too. Now taking these into account individually maybe it isn't alarming, but when you put all the misses together with him having his worst statistical career so far I think it's certainly fair to wonder if he is comfortable.

I'm not willing to say this is all on him. I am willing to say something is off.

Yes Rehkow didn't get the high snap down for the field goal in a crunch situation but he also kicked a beauty of a punt that lead to a safety one play later. I'm willing to give the rookie holder another chance if he keeps up the amazing punting.

(10-11-2024, 07:45 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Bring back the Lumina, and the Wendy's salad bar

You kid.....but this would be crucial....

I come bearing back robins

(10-11-2024, 09:58 AM)jj22 Wrote: We've lost 4 games. I watched that. He's missed key kicks in those losses. I watched that.

And his FG% has shrunk to it's lowest of his career. Fact.

He's had a rough start to the season. Fact.

1 missed FG and 1 missed XP that are presumably McPherson's fault so far this season. His XP% was lower in 2022 (90.9% compared to 92.9% in 2024) and while, yes his FG% is currently lowest it's been (if you want to compare in-season to end-of-season #s), we're not talking about a huge difference:
21 - 84.8%
22 - 82.8%
23 - 83.9%
24 - 81.8%

That said, if you take away the 1 miss because of Rekhow and the LS, that makes McPherson's FG% 90% on the season which would be the BEST he's ever done.

I eagerly await your reply.

(10-11-2024, 10:00 AM)jj22 Wrote: So the question is why? If it isn't a matter of his comfort with Rehkow holding then are yall saying he's lost his ability to kick consistently? Was paid then fell off?

Well, good news, I just demonstrated he has NOT lost his ability to kick consistently.

You'll need to move onto a different player to be overly and irrationally critical of.

(10-11-2024, 12:06 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Well, good news, I just demonstrated he has NOT lost his ability to kick consistently.

You'll need to move onto a different player to be overly and irrationally critical of.

No you didn't. You did exactly what I'm calling for. You removed the issue (holder) to show how improved his numbers would be.

And you blame Money for his other misses. Which ok, if that's how you feel you are entitled to your opinion. Be bold and say it. Don't let the fellow peanut gallery make you fear speaking your truth. I applaud you for putting the blame at McPhersons feet. Now do I agree. Of course not. Money has been money from 40-49. Suddenly he misses? Badly? 

And you bring up 22. Which I already know and long stated he struggle with Crisman as a holder (that's how I know his struggles revolve around his comfort and trust in the operation). It was the one great thing about Robbins. The improved operations that showed in Money's bounce back season of 2023.

But we can't just remove things to make our stats seem better.  Which people do all the time so no shade to you for doing so. 

 

(10-11-2024, 10:26 AM)jj22 Wrote: But it isn't just the last game Sunset.

Money HAS been money from inside 50. That miss wasn't expected. The missed extra point was odd too. Now taking these into account individually maybe it isn't alarming, but when you put all the misses together with him having his worst statistical career so far I think it's certainly fair to wonder if he is comfortable.

I'm not willing to say this is all on him. I am willing to say something is off.

So far this year in 5 games.

11 kickers have missed an XP.
1 kicker has missed 2 XP. 
14 kickers have missed at least 2 FG. 
4 kickers have missed 3 or more FG. 
19 kickers have missed at least once from 50+.

Money's percentage is due to the low number of attempts. 
9 out of 11 is 81.8%
15 out of 17 is 88.2%. 

Big difference. It's not a problem yet. He's missed exactly 5 FG in every year of his career so far. 


Stop it.

(10-11-2024, 10:26 AM)jj22 Wrote: But it isn't just the last game Sunset.

Money HAS been money from inside 50. That miss wasn't expected. The missed extra point was odd too. Now taking these into account individually maybe it isn't alarming, but when you put all the misses together with him having his worst statistical career so far I think it's certainly fair to wonder if he is comfortable.

I'm not willing to say this is all on him. I am willing to say something is off.

Missed kicks happen, and for a variety of reasons. Mac is just under 84% on FGs thus far in his career, and 95% on XPs, that's pretty damn good. Even Justin Tucker, likely to go down as the greatest kicker in NFL history is still under 90% on FGs throughout his career, and my hat is off to him for being nearly 99% on XPs in his lifetime. So banging on McPherson for a miss or two is just blowing wind.

No way.

Rekhow gotta stay. His punting is awesome.

After a couple years of watching Chrisman (?) and Robbins it's good to see a real punting game back in town.

Looks like Mac is having some real issues when he gets a clean kick away. Only 14/14 before that last one in OT.

(10-11-2024, 12:36 PM)Bengal Billy Wrote: No way.

Rekhow gotta stay. His punting is awesome.

After a couple years of watching Chrisman (?) and Robbins it's good to see a real punting game back in town.

Bengals have had some pretty good punters over the years, but I haven't seen anyone booming them like Rehkow does since the days of the great Ray Guy for the Raiders.