(10-11-2024, 01:13 PM)jj22 Wrote:  But maybe you Burrow haters don't have the faith in him as I do. I recognize his ability to at least get to mid field every drive. 

(10-11-2024, 01:20 PM)jj22 Wrote: Your lack of faith in a Burrow led offense is telling. 

You have done nothing but sh!t on Burrow this season.  This is so pathetic. 

(10-11-2024, 01:05 PM)jj22 Wrote: Just because something is great, doesn't mean you actually need it.

This is just empty rhetoric. Any chance you're willing to further support the statement? I'm interested in how you reached your conclusion that having a great player isn't always necessary.

(10-11-2024, 12:55 PM)jj22 Wrote: The question is why are you guys so into punts? Punt discussions are for struggling, pitiful team fans who want and need the top punter in the league because well.... they'll be punting and needing the field to be flipped all game. 

Kicking snap/hold operations that lead to actual points that make difference in 1 score games are far more important for us.

Robbins was never drafted for his leg. He was drafted because they thought they had the offense they have now. And with their ability to score or get into FG range every drive, yall holding dear to a big leg punter is a wasted resource if it means a shaky kicking operation, career lows from our star kicker, and holding your breath in game winning FG attempts.

If we punt we should be punting from around the 45 at worst. and those kicks will fall where they need to with Robbins. Now can he flip the field no. But you don't build a team around a punter. You build an offense that makes punting a moot point. Which we have.

Again, i'll repeat.

There is no reason for concern at this point. Those issues, if they continue, will be dealt with after it becomes a real problem. There is no need to replace a guy that has made 1 mistake when he's the best in the NFL at his actual job. 

Anything about how comfortable Money is, is made up. That would have been dealt with in-house, before the season started, if it were a problem. 

(10-11-2024, 01:37 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Again, i'll repeat.

There is no reason for concern at this point. Those issues, if they continue, will be dealt with after it becomes a real problem. There is no need to replace a guy that has made 1 mistake when he's the best in the NFL at his actual job. 

Anything about how comfortable Money is, is made up. That would have been dealt with in-house, before the season started, if it were a problem. 

It comes down to performing under pressure. It was a game winning kick, Rekow folded. Hopefully it won't happen again.

(10-11-2024, 12:15 PM)jj22 Wrote: No you didn't. You did exactly what I'm calling for. You removed the issue (holder) to show how improved his numbers would be.
 

No, I showed that he's not currently struggling anymore or less than he has in year's past. 

(10-11-2024, 12:15 PM)jj22 Wrote: And you blame Money for his other misses. Which ok, if that's how you feel you are entitled to your opinion. Be bold and say it. Don't let the fellow peanut gallery make you fear speaking your truth. I applaud you for putting the blame at McPhersons feet. Now do I agree. Of course not. Money has been money from 40-49. Suddenly he misses? Badly? 

First off, I only blame McPherson because on the 2 misses he's had this year because I don't know whose fault they are. We know that Rekhow's bad hold is the reason for the most recent, but until other evidence is present, I just put the blame on Evan.

Mort importantly, again, he's only had 3 misses this season, 1 of which we know is due to the hold. So that's 2 misses on 24 kicking attempts. Even adding in the 3rd miss, how is that McPherson "suddenly missing badly"?

(10-11-2024, 12:15 PM)jj22 Wrote: And you bring up 22. Which I already know and long stated he struggle with Crisman as a holder (that's how I know his struggles revolve around his comfort and trust in the operation). It was the one great thing about Robbins. The improved operations that showed in Money's bounce back season of 2023.

We also had a new long snapper that season. But as someone who clearly doesn't watch Bengals games, I can understand how you didn't know that.

(10-11-2024, 12:15 PM)jj22 Wrote: But we can't just remove things to make our stats seem better.  Which people do all the time so no shade to you for doing so. 

Yeah, well, at least I provide evidence to back up my claims and don't try to change the definitions of words to make my argument more cogent

(10-11-2024, 12:55 PM)jj22 Wrote: The question is why are you guys so into punts? Punt discussions are for struggling, pitiful team fans who want and need the top punter in the league because well.... they'll be punting and needing the field to be flipped all game. 

Kicking snap/hold operations that lead to actual points that make difference in 1 score games are far more important for us.

Robbins was never drafted for his leg. He was drafted because they thought they had the offense they have now. And with their ability to score or get into FG range every drive, yall holding dear to a big leg punter is a wasted resource if it means a shaky kicking operation, career lows from our star kicker, and holding your breath in game winning FG attempts.

If we punt we should be punting from around the 45 at worst. and those kicks will fall where they need to with Robbins. Now can he flip the field no. But you don't build a team around a punter. You build an offense that makes punting a moot point. Which we have.

YOU'RE THE ONE THAT STARTED THIS THREAD!!!

This has been the most entertaining thread I've seen on here in a long time.

Thank you. I do my part.

Typically lending my name, image, and likeness to a thread guarantees a respectable number of pages.

(10-11-2024, 01:29 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: This is just empty rhetoric. Any chance you're willing to further support the statement? I'm interested in how you reached your conclusion that having a great player isn't always necessary.

I’m basing it on our high powered offense that shouldn’t be punting enough to make a difference especially at the expense of kicking FG’s. Do we really need a great punter?

The lack of faith in Burrow from the Burrow haters is telling.

Bad takes, you couldn't get 'em cheaper from a drunken Indian at a hurricane party.

(10-11-2024, 02:53 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Bad takes, you couldn't get 'em cheaper from a drunken Indian at a hurricane party.  

what do drunk Indians have to do about this, aren't we allowed to drink

“Bad takes” today.

Fans complaints next month. I’ve read this book before.

(10-11-2024, 03:06 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: what do drunk Indians have to do about this, aren't we allowed to drink

Not a knock on any individual or nationality, but rather imagery drawing a parallel between those rushing to cheap and bad takes while drunk on emotion from watching a team that was expected to have great success struggle mightily. Drunk people, weather drunk by influence of alcohol or by emotion are often apt to make poor judgmental decisions, similar to when settlers used alcohol to weaken the judgement of the native Americans when they convinced them to sell Manhattan Island for a song and some beads.

The difference being that many of these bad takes are all looking for a scapegoat, a singular person or entity to shoulder much of the blame for a loss, when in reality the losses have been team losses with blame to go across many shoulders. It's easy to want to pin the blame for this last defeat on the rookie punter dropping the ball. Sure, I bet he'd like to have that play back to do over, just as I'm sure that Burrow would like to have a couple of snaps back to do over and the defense, well the defense would likely want to have a bunch of snaps back to do over.  There is no one, singular person or thing to blame. The team needs to get well, as a team and move forward.

(10-11-2024, 09:31 AM)Stewy Wrote: Well done JJ22.

There is no risk of you moving out of your slot as the worst poster on these boards.  The bottom 5 thank you for maintaining the cellar.

He took over my spot???

(10-11-2024, 03:08 PM)jj22 Wrote: “Bad takes” today.

I’ve read this book before.

No doubt that you have read comments from fellow posters regarding how bad your takes are, and have been.  But hey, we are finally in agreement about something!

(10-11-2024, 09:35 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Yes, assuming the OP is NOT a troll but just football illiterate: if Rekhow really is struggling and has caused more issues than just the miss against Baltimore, you replace him as holder WITH SOMEONE ALREADY ON THE TEAM. Dude has a punt that literally got us 2 points in a game. When's the last time we had a punter do that? But, yeah, let's get rid of the league's best punter (as of this moment) because he supposedly stinks on holding for kicks.

Wonder how long it would take another team to grab him if we did release him lol. 

(10-11-2024, 03:22 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: He took over my spot???

Bad takes while under the influence do not count, and to be honest, we are never sure with you.....?  

(10-11-2024, 03:29 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Bad takes while under the influence do not count, and to be honest, we are never sure with you.....?  

He seems pretty good for always hitting the bong.

(10-11-2024, 03:22 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: He took over my spot???

I thought he took over mine. There are 3 of us battling for the bottom...if we count Tony, 4.

(10-11-2024, 02:48 PM)jj22 Wrote: I’m basing it on our high powered offense that shouldn’t be punting enough to make a difference especially at the expense of kicking FG’s. Do we really need a great punter?

The lack of faith in Burrow from the Burrow haters is telling.

I'm not sure if you are implying I'm a Burrow hater or not. I'm not nor have posted anything to indicate I am. Maybe you're speaking about other posters?

Regardless, talking about Burrow isn't relevant to your initial comments about punting or needing a great punter. Yes, we need a great punter. There is no substantive reasoning to your position. Again, can you actually clarify your point about not needing a great player?