(10-17-2024, 07:46 PM)jason Wrote: The airport is less than 30 minutes from downtown for half the day, and that's with only the 1.7 million locals in the metro area around. However many thousands descend on Super Bowl cities would love that cut in the hill, the bridge, and the Lockland Split. I always thought  the traffic down there was asinine for the amount of people in area. I will grant you that most major cities have some goofy spots though.

The cut in the hill is terrible.  A drop of rain falls on the road, backed up.  A single cloud in the sky, backed up.  Just because, why the hell not, backed up.   Backed up, because well backed up.  It will be interesting to see if the new companion bridge once completed will make a difference.

As for a Super Bowl here I doubt it as long as the Brown family owns the team no matter what is done to the stadium.  They constantly vote against changes most other teams vote for.  I don't think they are at the top of the NFL's list of favorite owners.  :)

(10-17-2024, 08:06 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: The cut in the hill is terrible.  A drop of rain falls on the road, backed up.  A single cloud in the sky, backed up.  Just because, why the hell not, backed up.   Backed up, because well backed up.  It will be interesting to see if the new companion bridge once completed will make a difference.

The strange thing is that once the new one opens, traffic patterns will have expanded to more than fill that one. Unless they overbuild one with 4-6 lanes each way, they'll never catch up to traffic growth.

(10-17-2024, 08:06 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: The cut in the hill is terrible.  A drop of rain falls on the road, backed up.  A single cloud in the sky, backed up.  Just because, why the hell not, backed up.   Backed up, because well backed up.  It will be interesting to see if the new companion bridge once completed will make a difference.

When I lived in Dayton I remember coming back from weekend trips to Louisville, and getting stuck in traffic on a Sunday morning. It's ridiculous.

(10-17-2024, 08:06 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: The cut in the hill is terrible.  A drop of rain falls on the road, backed up.  A single cloud in the sky, backed up.  Just because, why the hell not, backed up.   Backed up, because well backed up.  It will be interesting to see if the new companion bridge once completed will make a difference.

As for a Super Bowl here I doubt it as long as the Brown family owns the team no matter what is done to the stadium.  They constantly vote against changes most other teams vote for.  I don't think they are at the top of the NFL's list of favorite owners.  :)

You guys sound like us out here Washington. Seattle and Tacoma are about 60 miles apart and it is turned into 1 big city.. Infrastructure cannot keep up with development. Road projects are taking decades to complete.

(10-17-2024, 08:06 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: The cut in the hill is terrible.  A drop of rain falls on the road, backed up.  A single cloud in the sky, backed up.  Just because, why the hell not, backed up.   Backed up, because well backed up.  It will be interesting to see if the new companion bridge once completed will make a difference.

As for a Super Bowl here I doubt it as long as the Brown family owns the team no matter what is done to the stadium.  They constantly vote against changes most other teams vote for.  I don't think they are at the top of the NFL's list of favorite owners.  :)

Brown family owning the bengals has nothing to do with  city getting a superbowl..nor does traffic conditions

(10-17-2024, 03:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: hmmm.......Detroit and NY/NJ hosted Super Bowls. Also, I went to the Super Bowl in LA, my luxury hotel was an hour drive to S0-Fi stadium and 35 to 40 minutes to downtown LA. SO-FI like the NJ stadium has very little parking. You have to park your car 30 minutes away and then take a bus to and from the stadium. The bus ride each way was 1 hour.

Based on my experience, Cincy could use Dayton and Lexington for hotels. Yes, not close, but try getting around LA or NY/NJ during Super Bowl week, it is a traffic nightmare.

My point is the NFL has has Super Bowls in cold cities, NCAA has had tournaments in domed stadiums that overall lodging and parking had major issues.

To say no way Cincy would never be awarded a Super Bowl if they had a domed stadium, is a guess. Bengals have been in existence since 1969, so to be awarded 1 Super Bowl in 55+ years does not seem unreasonable.

and those superbowls ..the one or two in cold cities did not go over well

(10-18-2024, 10:38 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: and those superbowls ..the one or two in cold cities did not go over well

Yep, they tried that, and it didn't work out so well.

I haven’t heard much on it since the season started, but is there still an outcry for all teams to play on natural grass? If that continues to be pushed, then becomes a reality in the not so distant future, how does that effect Paycor if they install a roof? It’s not like Arizona where they can roll the field outside. How would a natural grass field do in a domed Paycor?

(10-17-2024, 08:37 PM)sandwedge Wrote: You guys sound like us out here Washington. Seattle and Tacoma are about 60 miles apart and it is turned into 1 big city.. Infrastructure cannot keep up with development. Road projects are taking decades to complete.

I thought I was alone out here... I moved to Morton 3 months ago. What part of the state are you in?

(10-17-2024, 01:20 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Are there good examples of stadiums with retractable roofs that actually open and close them a decent bit?

Minute Maid in Houston is a baseball park and they open and close it about 160 times a year.  I guess it takes them about 15-20 minutes to do that.  It can be structured for concerts and sporting events like boxing, etc.

The park in Milwaukee is also retractable and it opens and closes in even less time but not sure of the frequency and events.  

(10-18-2024, 10:38 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: and those superbowls ..the one or two in cold cities did not go over well

I was working in the hotel industry in Alanta for the 2000 Super Bowl.  The weekend before the Super Bowl there was a major ice storm that knocked down trees and power all over the city (for days).  Another ice storm hit the Wednesday before the game.

Bad weather is not isolated to "cold" cities

Football fans can be weird sometimes. Imagine any other business where the customers want a worst experience for a fake sense of toughness. The games are worse in bad weather, the viewing experience for those in the crowd is worse in bad weather, and when it's really bad the viewing experience at home can even be worse.

I saw someone mentioning it's weird because of the AFCN, the Browns are currently proposing a covered stadium as well. This is where the league is heading because as others have said these massive assets need to be used year round to make sense.

Not to mention teams that play 8 or 9 games in their home.dome, then get to play several more in away domes have an advantage over teams playing 8 or 9 home games in weather..especially if they are a pass first team like the Bengals

A climate controlled dome makes for a much more enjoyable fan experience overall, IMO.
Plus, it helps reduce risk of injuries with people slipping in rain/snow, change of gameplan on the same, and removes impact of wind on kickers and passing.

Not to mention it would also add a year-round venue for other things like concerts.
There are two other big outdoor-only venues that can continue to be used for concerts and the like - Riverbend (20k capacity) and GABP (42k capacity).
However, all the indoor venues are much smaller in comparison. Heritage Bank Center is the largest indoor venue right now and it only has 17.5k seating capacity.
This was posted on HBC's website I dunno how long ago, but it goes into detail the problems that this venue has - https://heritagebankcenter.com/whatsnextcincy

The city was talking about building a dome stadium when PBS/Paycor was built. Mike Brown wanted an open air stadium and that's what was built. I wish back then the city aka taxpayers would have built a retractable dome. It would've saved money in the long run. Paycor is what it is, an open air stadium, might as well leave it that way. I would rather see the Reds get a retractable dome stadium, at least that way it would bring an end to rain outs and those God awful day/night double headers.

I think a partial dome would work, but I like the idea. At least they're considering it if anything for other venues

S-A-W-F-T

SAWFT!!!!

(10-18-2024, 05:10 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: S-A-W-F-T

SAWFT!!!!

What do you yell when your wife starts kissing your neck, for $400...Alex?

(10-18-2024, 12:09 PM)jason Wrote: I thought I was alone out here... I moved to Morton 3 months ago. What part of the state are you in?

I am not far away! I live in Yelm

(10-18-2024, 12:57 PM)Au165 Wrote: Football fans can be weird sometimes. Imagine any other business where the customers want a worst experience for a fake sense of toughness. The games are worse in bad weather, the viewing experience for those in the crowd is worse in bad weather, and when it's really bad the viewing experience at home can even be worse.

I saw someone mentioning it's weird because of the AFCN, the Browns are currently proposing a covered stadium as well. This is where the league is heading because as others have said these massive assets need to be used year round to make sense.

I imagine there will be more domes built as the years go by.  The game is a made-for-tv entertainment event, and having an indoor, climate-controlled situation is conducive to a good tv production.  When we were growing up the Super Bowl was usually played outside and the dome games were the exception.  Now it's been reversed.  

Outdoor games have an ambiance to them that you just can't get in the indoor experience, and I get that.  But as far as fan comfort goes, I challenge anyone to sit out for three-plus hours in 42 degree rain and then tell me with a straight face you wouldn't prefer a dome.  Nonsense.