Impact guys who are FA's after this year:

1. WR2: Higgins, $21.8 mil.
2. DT: BJ Hill, $10.8 mil.
3. CB3: Hilton, $7.45 mil
4. SS: Bell: $1.25 mil
--------------
5. T. Brown, RT, $4.4 mil
6. LB3: ADG, $2.5 mil.
7. TE3: Gesicki, $2.5 mil
-------------
8. DE4: Sample, $1.25 mil
9. DE5: Ossai, $1.65 mil
10. TE4: Hudson, $1.15 mil
11. OG3/OT4: Ford, $1.5 mil
12. WR5: Irwin, $1.5 mil
13. DT6: Tufele: $1.05 mil
---------
14. LB4: Bachie, $1.1 mil
15. OG/OT: Kirkland, $1 mil.

Cutable for savings:

1. DT: Rankins, $11.5 mil/$2 mil dead cap
2. DE: Hubbard, $11.6/$2 mil
3. FS: Stone: $7.975 mil/$1.5 mil
4. TE: Sample: $2.75 mil/$0
5. DT: Carter: $1.6 mil/$219k

Carter waived, Murphy and Jackson to the active roster from IR

DE Myles Murphy and DT/NY McKinnley Jackson both activated to the 53. We had 1 open spot, but DT Zach Carter waived to make room.


https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-roster-update-murphy-jackson-activated-carter-waived


We do have an open PS spot if Carter clears waivers. He has been a PS level guy all along. Absent that 4th & 1 stuff vs Minny last year.


Someone said he does not have one pass rush win all year (though he did have 0.5 sacks). The inly DT with over 80 snaps without one. And as a converted DE, that was supposed to be the thing he was good at.

A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (3): Moss; C. Brown, Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Kirkland
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (4): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Ossai, Johnson
DT (6): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele, Guy
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (5): CTB, D. Hill, Hilton; Turner, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anderson, Anthony
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (6)

1. Reserve/PUP (1)
1. CB DJ Ivey

2. Reserve/Injured (3 of 8 return)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT
2. Chris Evans, RB 
3. D'Ante Smith, OL
4. Lance Robinson, CB
5. Trent Brown, OT, Season-ending
-------------------

E.  Practice Squad (15) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. RB Milton
3. WR Pryor, 1 elevation
4. WR Burgess
5. TE Grandy
6. OT Cochran 
7. OG Manning
8. C/OG T. Hill (Vet #2)
9. NT/DT D. Davis, 1 elevation
10. NT/DT Rogers
11. DE Thomas
12. LB Heyward
13. CB J. Davis (Vet #3) 
14. CB Brooks 
15. S Jules
-------
16. Open

CB/S Dax Hill and OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland to IR, with a knee and torn bicep, respectively. Hill out for the year, most likely. 


Falcons OG/OT Andrew Stueber signed to our 53 off their PS. First year player out of Michigan. On Pats PS last year. 


Signed CB Micah Anraham to the PS. Rookie 6th rounder of the Colts out of Marshall who was cut. 


https://www.bengals.com/news/bengals-roster-updates-dax-hill-placed-on-reserve-injured-list-other-moves


PS is full. 1 open spot on the 53. Maybe Ivey is getting close?



A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (3): Moss; C. Brown, Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, Johnson
DT (6): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele, Guy
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (4): CTB, Hilton; Turner, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anderson, Anthony
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (8)

1. Reserve/PUP (1)
1. CB DJ Ivey

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 return)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT
2. Chris Evans, RB 
3. D'Ante Smith, OL
4. Lance Robinson, CB
5. Trent Brown, OT, Season-ending
6. Dax Hill, CB/S, out for season 
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland, torn bicep
-------------------

E.  Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. RB Milton
3. WR Pryor, 1 elevation
4. WR Burgess
5. TE Grandy
6. OT Cochran 
7. OG Manning
8. C/OG T. Hill (Vet #2)
9. NT/DT D. Davis, 1 elevation
10. NT/DT Rogers
11. DE Thomas
12. LB Heyward
13. CB J. Davis (Vet #3) 
14. CB Brooks 
15. CB Abraham
16. S Jules
-----

(10-04-2024, 12:19 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Impact guys who are FA's after this year:

1. WR2: Higgins, $21.8 mil.
2. DT: BJ Hill, $10.8 mil.
3. CB3: Hilton, $7.45 mil
4. SS: Bell: $1.25 mil
--------------
5. T. Brown, RT, $4.4 mil
6. LB3: ADG, $2.5 mil.
7. TE3: Gesicki, $2.5 mil
-------------
8. DE4: Sample, $1.25 mil
9. DE5: Ossai, $1.65 mil
10. TE4: Hudson, $1.15 mil
11. OG3/OT4: Ford, $1.5 mil
12. WR5: Irwin, $1.5 mil
13. DT6: Tufele: $1.05 mil
---------
14. LB4: Bachie, $1.1 mil
15. OG/OT: Kirkland, $1 mil.

Cutable for savings:

1. DT: Rankins, $11.5 mil/$2 mil dead cap
2. DE: Hubbard, $11.6/$2 mil
3. FS: Stone: $7.975 mil/$1.5 mil
4. TE: Sample: $2.75 mil/$0
5. DT: Carter: $1.6 mil/$219k

A lot of those guys aren't difference makers. Higgins and maybe Hill are the keepers.

Updated to reflect the 2 standard elevations for Jalen Davis snd 1 for Trey Hill on the PS.


A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (3): Moss; C. Brown, Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, Johnson
DT (6): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele, Guy
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (4): CTB, Hilton; Turner, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anderson, Anthony
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (8)

1. Reserve/PUP (1)
1. CB DJ Ivey

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 return)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT
2. Chris Evans, RB 
3. D'Ante Smith, OL
4. Lance Robinson, CB
5. Trent Brown, OT, Season-ending
6. Dax Hill, CB/S, out for season 
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland, torn bicep
-------------------

E.  Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. RB Milton
3. WR Pryor, 1 elevation
4. WR Burgess
5. TE Grandy
6. OT Cochran 
7. OG Manning
8. C/OG T. Hill (Vet #2), 1 elevation
9. NT/DT D. Davis, 1 elevation
10. NT/DT Rogers
11. DE Thomas
12. LB Heyward
13. CB J. Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
14. CB Brooks 
15. CB Abraham
16. S Jules
-----

Some musical chairs on the practice squad. DE Isaiah Thomas claimed off our PS by Detroit. And we responded by signing old friend DE Raymond Johnson to our PS, whom Detroit had signed off our PS previously, IIRC.


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/10/16/24271762/bengals-raymond-johnson-practice-squad

A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (3): Moss; C. Brown, Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Johnson
DT (6): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele, Guy
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (4): CTB, Hilton; Turner, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anderson, Anthony
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (8)

1. Reserve/PUP (1)
1. CB DJ Ivey

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 return)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT
2. Chris Evans, RB 
3. D'Ante Smith, OL
4. Lance Robinson, CB
5. Trent Brown, OT, Season-ending
6. Dax Hill, CB/S, knee, out for season 
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland, torn bicep
-------------------

E.  Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. RB Milton
3. WR Pryor, 1 elevation
4. WR Burgess
5. TE Grandy
6. OT Cochran 
7. OG Manning
8. C/OG T. Hill (Vet #2), 1 elevation
9. NT/DT D. Davis, 1 elevation
10. NT/DT Rogers
11. DE R. Johnson
12. LB Heyward
13. CB J. Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
14. CB Brooks 
15. CB Abraham
16. S Jules
-----

Ivey activated from PUP, which brings the roster to 53. Trey Hill also elevated from the PS. 


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/10/19/24274379/dj-ivey-bengals-roster-trey-hill-cleveland-browns


I really wish we'd have taken an OG in the middle rounds somewhere. 


Except for the guys out long term (Sample, Brown, Hill), we are pretty healthy (knock on wood).

A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (3): Moss; C. Brown, Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (26)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Johnson
DT (6): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele, Guy
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (5): CTB, Hilton; Turner, Ivey, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (7)

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season)
-------------------

E.  Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. RB Milton
3. WR Pryor, 1 elevation
4. WR Burgess
5. TE Grandy
6. OT Cochran 
7. OG Manning
8. C/OG T. Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
9. NT/DT D. Davis, 1 elevation
10. NT/DT Rogers
11. DE R. Johnson
12. LB Heyward
13. CB J. Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
14. CB Brooks 
15. CB Abraham
16. S Jules
-----

The Bengals made some moves on the Practice Squad today. Releasing DT Dominique Davis and signing OT Andrew Coker. 


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/10/22/24276914/bengals-sign-andrew-coker-to-practice-squad-waive-domenique-davis


With 6 DTs on the 53, and both Tufeke & Guy inactive last week, 2 DTs on the PS seemed a bit much. And with Trent Brown out, Orlando Brown gimpy, and Kirkland and De'Ante Smith also out for the year, OT was getting pretty thin.

A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (3): Moss; C. Brown, Williams
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (26)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Johnson
DT (6): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele, Guy
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (5): CTB, Turner, Hilton; Ivey, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (7)

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season)
-------------------

E.  Practice Squad (16) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. RB Kendall Milton
3. WR Kendric Pryor, 1 elevation
4. WR Cole Burgess
5. TE Cam Grandy
6. OT Devin Cochran 
7. OT Andrew Coker
8. OG Tashawn Manning
9. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
10. NT/DT Justin Rogers
11. DE Raymond Johnson III
12. LB Shaka Heyward
13. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
14. CB Nate Brooks 
15. CB Micah Abraham
16. S PJ Jules
-----

(10-22-2024, 08:47 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: The Bengals made some moves on the Practice Squad today. Releasing DT Dominique Davis and signing OT Andrew Coker. 


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/10/22/24276914/bengals-sign-andrew-coker-to-practice-squad-waive-domenique-davis

Who are these rando OTs they have after OBJ, Mims, and Ford?

Stueber is a complete unknown except those who might have remembered him when looking at the 2022 NFL draft for late-round OL prospects.
He's bounced around from NE to ATL and now on Cincy's PS with 0 games played.

Devin Cochran has stuck around on the Bengals PS since 2022 but with no elevations.

Now this dude named Andrew Coker who was an UDFA from this past draft?

They need to stop foolin around and bring in someone who actually has played some or more potential than these guys.

Chiefs land Hopkins from Titans for a 4th rd condiditional pick.

Amazing what good FOs (Chiefs, Bills, etc.) can get done to help bolster a contender during the regular season for cheap.

Don't want to start another thread, but how would people feel about a straight up Tee Higgins/Khalil Mack trade, both free agents in 2025? Assume no salary cap implications (difference of 3.6M). Chargers need a downfield threat desperately and we need to generate pass rush with a rotational player.

(10-23-2024, 02:16 PM)puddycat Wrote: Don't want to start another thread, but how would people feel about a straight up Tee Higgins/Khalil Mack trade, both free agents in 2025?  Assume no salary cap implications (difference of 3.6M).  Chargers need a downfield threat desperately and we need to generate pass rush with a rotational player.

Nope...no way.  What we would gain defensively we would lose offensively.  

(10-23-2024, 02:16 PM)puddycat Wrote: Don't want to start another thread, but how would people feel about a straight up Tee Higgins/Khalil Mack trade, both free agents in 2025?  Assume no salary cap implications (difference of 3.6M).  Chargers need a downfield threat desperately and we need to generate pass rush with a rotational player.

Do you realize how bad this offense would suck without Higgins? 

I mean seriously, its basically "OK Tee and Jamar, go out there and make a play and we will throw you the ball". 

ZT is going to get his shit exposed next year if/when they lose Tee. 

(10-04-2024, 12:19 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Impact guys who are FA's after this year:

1. WR2: Higgins, $21.8 mil.
2. DT: BJ Hill, $10.8 mil.
3. CB3: Hilton, $7.45 mil
4. SS: Bell: $1.25 mil
--------------
5. T. Brown, RT, $4.4 mil
6. LB3: ADG, $2.5 mil.
7. TE3: Gesicki, $2.5 mil
-------------
8. DE4: Sample, $1.25 mil
9. DE5: Ossai, $1.65 mil
10. TE4: Hudson, $1.15 mil
11. OG3/OT4: Ford, $1.5 mil
12. WR5: Irwin, $1.5 mil
13. DT6: Tufele: $1.05 mil
---------
14. LB4: Bachie, $1.1 mil
15. OG/OT: Kirkland, $1 mil.

Cutable for savings:

1. DT: Rankins, $11.5 mil/$2 mil dead cap
2. DE: Hubbard, $11.6/$2 mil
3. FS: Stone: $7.975 mil/$1.5 mil
4. TE: Sample: $2.75 mil/$0
5. DT: Carter: $1.6 mil/$219k

I used to be pretty low on BJ Hill and his salary, but at this point you almost have to re-sign him. 

This roster is going to be decemated because we just refuse to extend guys. Hill should have been extended this off-season when they lost Reader. Higgins should have been reuped 2 years ago. 

Our long term cap is a joke. We literally have like three guys on a second contract after next year. They can afford to pay whoever the **** they want. 

(10-23-2024, 03:25 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Do you realize how bad this offense would suck without Higgins? 
ZT is going to get his shit exposed next year if/when they lose Tee. 

I don't necessarily disagree, but am seriously gonna lose my s*** if the Bengals can't generate any offense without playing three offensive players ~115 million per year.

I'd agree 'bout BJ Hill; concerns about age can be addressed by reducing snap count in the rotation. But how many DT3s do we need without a true nose tackle?

(10-23-2024, 03:42 PM)puddycat Wrote: I don't necessarily disagree, but am seriously gonna lose my s*** if the Bengals can't generate any offense without playing three offensive players ~115 million per year.

They've barely generated any offense the pas 2 weeks with those guys on the team. 

Our buddy in TENN is having a fire sale. Chido and Tyler have not done anything in TEN and are not part of a "future". Chido's been on IR but ready to come off.

I'd throw a late rounder their way for either. Boyd might be more of a We'll give you a 6th for a 7th.

(10-23-2024, 03:42 PM)puddycat Wrote: I don't necessarily disagree, but am seriously gonna lose my s*** if the Bengals can't generate any offense without playing three offensive players ~115 million per year.

I'd agree 'bout BJ Hill; concerns about age can be addressed by reducing snap count in the rotation. But how many DT3s do we need without a true nose tackle?

It's true that the Bengals missed out on the available NTs last offseason, I think that they felt like Reader was a gimme re-sign at a lowball rate. So, just to fill the spot they signed Rankins. However, they did draft a couple of guys who can play NT in Jenkins and Jackson. Sure, Jackson is the true NT guy, but Jenkins has held his own in the spot, especially when you consider that he's undersized and a rookie. They need to keep Hill around for at least 2 more years, Rankins should be able to pass on this year, but they need to hit solid in DT in next season's draft as well.

(10-23-2024, 06:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Our buddy in TENN is having a fire sale. Chido and Tyler have not done anything in TEN and are not part of a "future". Chido's been on IR but ready to come off.

I'd throw a late rounder their way for either. Boyd might be more of a We'll give you a 6th for a 7th.

Yes to Chido with Dax's injury. I just think that if we brought in Boyd it would really stump the growth of the youth for WR3, but if it is an 
open competition it might not be a bad move. I think Jermaine Burton is going to show and show soon that he can be the guy and a much 
more explosive WR3 than Tyler Boyd.

But for now if we just need reliable, I would not be against Boyd either. I don't know the particulars going on with Burton.

I definitely don't think Yoshi is the answer, but we will see.