(10-23-2024, 07:18 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes to Chido with Dax's injury. I just think that if we brought in Boyd it would really stump the growth of the youth for WR3, but if it is an 
open competition it might not be a bad move. I think Jermaine Burton is going to show and show soon that he can be the guy and a much 
more explosive WR3 than Tyler Boyd.

But for now if we just need reliable, I would not be against Boyd either. I don't know the particulars going on with Burton.

I definitely don't think Yoshi is the answer, but we will see.

bengals dont need explosion. Tee and Jamarr already take care of that. They need a 3rd receiver who is a consistent stick mover

(10-23-2024, 09:35 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: bengals dont need explosion. Tee and Jamarr already take care of that. They need a 3rd receiver who is a consistent stick mover

Wow Frank, you're leaving yourself open to endless jokes with that statement... 

(10-23-2024, 09:39 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Wow Frank, you're leaving yourself open to endless jokes with that statement... 

Not that there is anything wrong with that....

(10-23-2024, 07:18 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes to Chido with Dax's injury. I just think that if we brought in Boyd it would really stump the growth of the youth for WR3, but if it is an 
open competition it might not be a bad move. I think Jermaine Burton is going to show and show soon that he can be the guy and a much 
more explosive WR3 than Tyler Boyd.

But for now if we just need reliable, I would not be against Boyd either. I don't know the particulars going on with Burton.

I definitely don't think Yoshi is the answer, but we will see.

Boyd was poor last year and is worse this. But in TN it is tough to tell. 

All these TEs were supposed to help wirh WR3 while Burton develops. I stink we stayvthe course out wide. 

I'd love Chido back, but we never make mid-season trades. 

(10-27-2024, 12:52 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Boyd was poor last year and is worse this. But in TN it is tough to tell. 

All these TEs were supposed to help wirh WR3 while Burton develops. I stink we stayvthe course out wide. 

I'd love Chido back, but we never make mid-season trades. 

Boyd had more yards and a better Drop % than Higgins. In fact, his Drop % in 2023 (which admittedly was the worst of Boyd's since at least 2018) would have still been the 2nd best of Higgins' career.

He's declining, but talk about how poor he was last year is really overblown. He just didn't play well with Browning. Even with early gimpy Burrow games included, before the game Burrow went down Boyd was on pace for 788 yards. If you further refine that by removing the first two weeks where Zac doesn't have his team ready to play, he was on pace for 862 yards.

Nobody is doing well in TN. They're throwing <150 yards per game (32nd) at 5.5ypa (31st) for a 71.2 QB Rating (32nd). Boyd is 14 yards away from being their leading receiver ahead of DeAndre Hopkins and Calvin Ridley.

From Bengals Wire:

"

• Lou Anarumo is fielding a bottom unit for the second year in a row.
• Duke Tobin and the front office has failed the staff. The drafting largely stinks and when they develop an All-Pro like Jessie Bates, he slips through their fingers. Replacements for Bates, DJ Reader and others never materialize. There’s no pass-rush. Top draft assets spent on cover corners are erratic. A second rounder like Jackson Carman and a possible contributor like Jordan Battle can’t get on the field.
• The bill only gets higher: They missed on paying Ja’Marr Chase when they should have and won’t retain Tee Higgins. They will pay Chase and Burrow’s bigger cap hits will start to arrive, constricting roster construction.
  

(10-28-2024, 11:30 AM)Wyche Wrote: From Bengals Wire:

"

• Lou Anarumo is fielding a bottom unit for the second year in a row.
• Duke Tobin and the front office has failed the staff. The drafting largely stinks and when they develop an All-Pro like Jessie Bates, he slips through their fingers. Replacements for Bates, DJ Reader and others never materialize. There’s no pass-rush. Top draft assets spent on cover corners are erratic. A second rounder like Jackson Carman and a possible contributor like Jordan Battle can’t get on the field.
• The bill only gets higher: They missed on paying Ja’Marr Chase when they should have and won’t retain Tee Higgins. They will pay Chase and Burrow’s bigger cap hits will start to arrive, constricting roster construction.
  

They should have added in there that a lack of demand by the head coach, for solid execution in the basic football fundamental skills of blocking and tackling is a gaping specter over current state of the team.

(10-28-2024, 11:40 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: They should have added in there that a lack of demand by the head coach, for solid execution in the basic football fundamental skills of blocking and tackling is a gaping specter over current state of the team.

I guess that could certainly go in there, and he got his criticism in the article to be sure. However, when I sit back and look at this team, I think us fans have overvalued the talent. 

Mike Gesicki was beating DBs out there yesterday and he's a tight end. Yoshi, Irwin, Jones are BUMS. Hudson? Bum. Sample? Good blocker. All was getting open. Tyler Boyd used to get open. Moss is a good backup. Chase Brown is a scat back. The IOL is not that great. 

Defense is Trey Hendrickson and a bunch of also rans with the exception of Wilson and Pratt when he's on a hot streak. Being fair to the secondary it's hard to objectively assess them when they have to cover for an ETERNITY. Absolutely zero pass rush. 

Now, is this an issue with position coaches, or is it due to the two scouts and their micro fish readers reporting to lifer Duke Tobin? Hard sayin', not knowin'. 

(10-28-2024, 12:27 PM)Wyche Wrote: Now, is this an issue with position coaches, or is it due to the two scouts and their micro fish readers reporting to lifer Duke Tobin? Hard sayin', not knowin'. 

this is the team that drafted Drew Sample in the 2nd.

(10-28-2024, 12:27 PM)Wyche Wrote: I guess that could certainly go in there, and he got his criticism in the article to be sure. However, when I sit back and look at this team, I think us fans have overvalued the talent. 

Mike Gesicki was beating DBs out there yesterday and he's a tight end. Yoshi, Irwin, Jones are BUMS. Hudson? Bum. Sample? Good blocker. All was getting open. Tyler Boyd used to get open. Moss is a good backup. Chase Brown is a scat back. The IOL is not that great. 

Defense is Trey Hendrickson and a bunch of also rans with the exception of Wilson and Pratt when he's on a hot streak. Being fair to the secondary it's hard to objectively assess them when they have to cover for an ETERNITY. Absolutely zero pass rush. 

Now, is this an issue with position coaches, or is it due to the two scouts and their micro fish readers reporting to lifer Duke Tobin? Hard sayin', not knowin'. 

I'd say that all of them are at least partly to blame, along with a large slice of Zac Taylor running soft camps with an obvious lack of stress on basic fundamentals.

(10-28-2024, 12:31 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: this is the team that drafted Drew Sample in the 2nd.

Tobin is the Piano Man of the front office. 

(10-28-2024, 12:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'd say that all of them are at least partly to blame, along with a large slice of Zac Taylor running soft camps with an obvious lack of stress on basic fundamentals.

I'm leaning 60-70% front office. Look at some of the recent drafts.....hell, look at 2015, 16, and 17. They suck Sunset. I'm starting to think I was a little bit too harsh on Marvin. Those last three drafts he was here essentially sank him, and started the current staff out way behind the eight ball. Ogbuehi, John Ross, and WJIII in three straight drafts. Just.....WOW. Now look at Myles Murphy and some of these more recent ones without Joe, JaMarr, and Tee. It's a lot of JAGs and some outright TURDS. 

Now some of the soft camp stuff could certainly be an issue, but zero pass rush, poor IOL play, and WRs that couldn't beat me are talent issues. 

(10-27-2024, 12:52 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Boyd was poor last year and is worse this. But in TN it is tough to tell. 

All these TEs were supposed to help wirh WR3 while Burton develops. I stink we stayvthe course out wide. 

I'd love Chido back, but we never make mid-season trades. 

Agree on all points. Burton made a great catch yesterday with Slay a stud Corner draped all over him. But he also screwed up on the 
play where Burrow got pissed because the ref wouldn't let us snap the ball. He is extremely talented but makes mistakes as a rookie.

We better change it up and make a trade this year if the team wants to get the fans back. Came on here yesterday and about every
body has gave up and even I am thinking we need to change things up before it is too late. Lou definitely needs to go after this season.

That 2nd half was inexcusable yesterday by Lou and the Defense. It was the time for them to step up at home and they did just the 
opposite and got destroyed. Cannot let that happen in your place.

(10-28-2024, 11:40 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: They should have added in there that a lack of demand by the head coach, for solid execution in the basic football fundamental skills of blocking and tackling is a gaping specter over current state of the team.

No doubt. Basic blocking and tackling just isn't there and it is mid season. The coaches all need replaced if a miracle doesn't happen.

Burrow won't be in his prime forever and neither will Chase.

(10-28-2024, 12:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'd say that all of them are at least partly to blame, along with a large slice of Zac Taylor running soft camps with an obvious lack of stress on basic fundamentals.

Yep, gonna have to clean house if something miraculous doesn't happen. We are 3-5 and the Stains beat the Rats, yah never know.

Updated with the release of DT Guy, the signing of RB Milton to the 53, and the Pryor/Cochran elevations to the PS for the Raider game. 


Brutal news on All. We should stop drafting guys who are not physically or mentally healthy. We refuse to make mid-season trades for veteran/proven players because we value picks, but then we gamble away picks on higher risk rookies. It makes no sense.


https://www.bengals.com/team/transactions/
 

A. Offense: (25)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): Moss; C. Brown, Williams, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (5): D. Sample; Gesicki, All, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Johnson
DT (5): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (5): CTB, Turner, Hilton; Ivey, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anthony, Anderson
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C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (7)

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season)
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E.  Practice Squad (15) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 2 elevations
3. WR Cole Burgess
4. TE Cam Grandy
5. OT Devin Cochran, 1 elevation
6. OT Andrew Coker
7. OG Tashawn Manning
8. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
9. NT/DT Justin Rogers
10. DE Raymond Johnson III
11. LB Shaka Heyward
12. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
13. CB Nate Brooks 
14. CB Micah Abraham
15. S PJ Jules
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No official transaction yet, but I am gonna go ahead and put All on IR. 


Opens up a roster spot for RB Khalil Herbert, whom we just traded for from Chicago. Gave up a 7th.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/11/5/24288695/bengals-trade-for-bears-rb-khalil-herbert


A. Offense: (25)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (5): Moss; C. Brown, Herbert, Williams, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (4): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Johnson
DT (5): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (5): CTB, Turner, Hilton; Ivey, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (8)

2. Reserve/Injured (7) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season). 
8. TE Erick All (knee ACL, out for season)
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E.  Practice Squad (15) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 2 elevations
3. WR Cole Burgess
4. TE Cam Grandy
5. OT Devin Cochran, 1 elevation
6. OT Andrew Coker
7. OG Tashawn Manning
8. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
9. NT/DT Justin Rogers
10. DE Raymond Johnson III
11. LB Shaka Heyward
12. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
13. CB Nate Brooks 
14. CB Micah Abraham
15. S PJ Jules
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Was just wondering, is 8 guys the norm for being out for the season in the middle of one?

Seems a bit high to me...

Add Zach Moss to IR. Moss and All officially on IR. No word yet if Moss will be designated for return

Herbert official. All and Moss to IR. 


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2024/11/5/24289008/bengals-khalil-herbert-trade-erick-all-jr-zack-moss-ir

One open roster spot. DE, DT, or CB would be nice.

A. Offense: (24)
QB (2): Burrow; Browning
RB (4): C. Brown, Herbert, Williams, Milton
WR (6): Chase, Higgins, Iosivas; Irwin, Burton, C. Jones
TE (4): D. Sample; Gesicki, Hudson, McLachlan
OT (2): O. Brown; Mims
OG (2): Cappa, Volson
C (2): Karras; Lee
OT/OG (2): Ford, Stueber
----------------

B. Defense: (25)
DE (5): Hendrickson, Hubbard; Murphy, Ossai, C. Johnson
DT (5): BJ Hill, Rankins; Jenkins, Jackson; Tufele
LB (5): Wilson, Pratt; ADG, Bachie, Njongmeta
CB (5): CTB, Turner, Hilton; Ivey, Newton
S (5): Bell, Stone; Battle, Anthony, Anderson
-------------

C. Special Teams: (3)
PK: McPherson
P: Rehkow
LS: Adomitis
--------------

D. Injured Lists (8)

2. Reserve/Injured (9) (3 of 8 returns used)
1. Cam Sample, DE/DT (Achilles, out for season)
2. Chris Evans, RB (patellar tendon, out for season)
3. D'Ante Smith, OL (patellar tendin, out for season)
4. Lance Robinson, CB (PS, undisclosed)
5. Trent Brown, OT (patellar tendon, out for season)
6. Dax Hill, CB/S (ACL, out for season)
7. OG/OT Jaxson Kirkland (torn bicep, out for season). 
8. TE Erick All (knee ACL, out for season)
9. RB Zach Moss (neck)
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E.  Practice Squad (15) (16 max, 6 vets, 10<3 years)


17 if last guy is an INT player. Can Protect 4.
Salary: 2 years or less: $225k, $12,500/wk
3+years: $302.4k-$383.4k; 16,800-$21,300/wk.

1. QB Logan Woodside (Vet #1) 
2. WR Kendric Pryor, 2 elevations
3. WR Cole Burgess
4. TE Cam Grandy
5. OT Devin Cochran, 1 elevation
6. OT Andrew Coker
7. OG Tashawn Manning
8. C/OG Trey Hill (Vet #2), 2 elevations
9. NT/DT Justin Rogers
10. DE Raymond Johnson III
11. LB Shaka Heyward
12. CB Jalen Davis (Vet #3), 2 elevations
13. CB Nate Brooks 
14. CB Micah Abraham
15. S PJ Jules
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We still have an open spot on the 53. Will they promote or go free agent shopping

Might be looking at Quinton Jefferrson- DL who was just released by the Browns.