(11-18-2024, 05:06 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: An MVP would have made an accurate throw to Chase in the Charger game.  Yeah the numbers look great and all too many times this year Burrow has came up small in really big spots. 

Highest-graded passers in the NFL since '21:

1: Joe Burrow: 93.4
2: Josh Allen: 90.9
3: Patrick Mahomes: 90.4
4: Justin Herbert: 90.1

Same 4 players sacks taken since '21 (among 61 QBs):

1: Joe Burrow: 171
T-8: Herbert: 124
T-10: Mahomes: 120
T-18: Allen: 108

— Andrew Russell (@Andrew_Russell7) November 18, 2024

Good luck being an MVP behind that.

(11-18-2024, 04:47 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: 1st, I hope that these guys play at a high level for another decade, but let's look at it based on some comparables:

Chase - Guys like Ochocinco played at an elite level for 7 years then fell off. AJ Green was elite for 5 years.
Chase is finishing year 4. Let's say he has 3-5 years of elite play. He probably has 3 atleast, assuming no injuries. Maybe he goes Steve Smith mode and plays elite longer. It's hard to say though as he uses his quickness and strength a lot.

Burrow is almost 28. He should be able to play at an elite level until 35+, but he's racking up injuries. I think his contract is the big kicker. It ends after the 2029 season, so we have essentially 5 more years of him.

It appears the 1st 3 years are fully guaranteed. So, IF we aren't winning in 3 years, that could be a window where he demands a trade.

So...what does that mean?

Well, the next 3 years are hugely important and the Bengals need to do everything they can to win.  This includes making shrewd decisions on coaches and the roster.

How would you maximize their prime?

Yup

And the problem here is this team has so many shortcomings it's nearly impossible to fix them in one off-season. We aren't just a couple players away. Or even 4 0r 5 !!

This team is a bunch, big bunch of players away.

We would have to go out and get 3-4 big time free agents. Somehow hit on 3 or 4 draft picks. And a handful of our previous draft picks suddenly turning it drastically around to have any chance next year. 

So basically a pipe dream. And then you're quickly looking two years down the road.

Not to mention ZT has to swallow his pride and give up being OC. And oh yes we need a DC

Giant task ahead or the Burrow Chase era is going to slip away.

(11-18-2024, 05:31 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Highest-graded passers in the NFL since '21:

1: Joe Burrow: 93.4
2: Josh Allen: 90.9
3: Patrick Mahomes: 90.4
4: Justin Herbert: 90.1

Same 4 players sacks taken since '21 (among 61 QBs):

1: Joe Burrow: 171
T-8: Herbert: 124
T-10: Mahomes: 120
T-18: Allen: 108

— Andrew Russell (@Andrew_Russell7) November 18, 2024

Good luck being an MVP behind that.

It's just utterly amazing that Joe is playing at such a high level behind such a train wreck of an Oline. Then add in a practice squad level defense. A kicker who can't kick and an OC who just isn't good.

It's just unexplainable how he does it?

The FO doesn't understand the concept of "Championship Window" or going All-In. The FO are too conservative to maximise these opportunities.

The minute the FO decided to Tag and keep Tee for the 2024 season instead of trading him, they should have started being more aggressive. Keeping Tee on the Tag is an all-in type move and the subsequent moves should have matched.

The Bengals FO like to rollover ~$10m in cap space every year, if they were more aggressive, that would have been enough to sign Stephon Gilmore($7m) and Calais Campbell($2m), without having to even restructure any other players contracts.

(11-18-2024, 05:24 PM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: You serious Clark?

Exactly, when your head is on a swivel, it’s amazing how well he is doing.  Not knowing where the next shot is coming from.

(11-18-2024, 05:35 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: It's just utterly amazing that Joe is playing at such a high level behind such a train wreck of an Oline. Then add in a practice squad level defense. A kicker who can't kick and an OC who just isn't good.

It's just unexplainable how he does it?

Of 77 qualified NFL Gs through 11 weeks, Bengals LG Cordell Volson ranks #77/77 in pressures allowed at 33.

The next worst? Bengals RG Alex Cappa at 27.

On true pass sets, Volson ranks #77/77 in pressures allowed. Cappa ranks #75/77.

There needs to be significant change here.

— Gridiron Grading (@GridironGrading) November 18, 2024

Imagine having a QB put up MVP numbers behind that. And yet some people still want to whine about him not being clutch.

(11-18-2024, 05:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Of 77 qualified NFL Gs through 11 weeks, Bengals LG Cordell Volson ranks #77/77 in pressures allowed at 33.

The next worst? Bengals RG Alex Cappa at 27.

On true pass sets, Volson ranks #77/77 in pressures allowed. Cappa ranks #75/77.

There needs to be significant change here.

— Gridiron Grading (@GridironGrading) November 18, 2024

Imagine having a QB put up MVP numbers behind that. And yet some people still want to whine about him not being clutch.

Burrow plays with half of a line and half the time to make decision. I am not sure what else people expect him to do, walk on water. 

(11-18-2024, 05:41 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Of 77 qualified NFL Gs through 11 weeks, Bengals LG Cordell Volson ranks #77/77 in pressures allowed at 33.

The next worst? Bengals RG Alex Cappa at 27.

On true pass sets, Volson ranks #77/77 in pressures allowed. Cappa ranks #75/77.

There needs to be significant change here.

— Gridiron Grading (@GridironGrading) November 18, 2024

Imagine having a QB put up MVP numbers behind that. And yet some people still want to whine about him not being clutch.

Burrow is insane!  He is NOT the problem.

(11-18-2024, 05:31 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Highest-graded passers in the NFL since '21:

1: Joe Burrow: 93.4
2: Josh Allen: 90.9
3: Patrick Mahomes: 90.4
4: Justin Herbert: 90.1

Same 4 players sacks taken since '21 (among 61 QBs):

1: Joe Burrow: 171
T-8: Herbert: 124
T-10: Mahomes: 120
T-18: Allen: 108

— Andrew Russell (@Andrew_Russell7) November 18, 2024

Good luck being an MVP behind that.

And that doesn’t include the shots Burrow took, after he threw the ball.

(11-18-2024, 06:06 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: And that doesn’t include the shots Burrow took, after he threw the ball.

I believe he’s taken 27 QB hits in the last 2 games.

Burrow is 33-29-1 in his regular season career. He's mentioned how he's having one of his best seasons of playing ball and yet, he's still on a losing team. Wasting Burrow's career is about to turn him into a sub .500 QB for wins and losses. I feel for Burrow.

The only possible way for Burrow, Chase, Higgins, Trey or any of the above average players to see a SB again is to leave the Bengals. That window slammed shut several years ago. Would really like to see those 4 with a team that is committed to serious winning. The years are slipping by them fast.

(11-18-2024, 06:08 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I believe he’s taken 27 QB hits in the last 2 games.

Sounds about right, and makes my point. He is constantly getting sacked or hit. It’s amazing that he’s not on the injury report every week.

And his wrist is not 100% either. Notice how some of his passes wobble and have no zip? Last night a few of those. Always flexing his hand and arm, glove on, glove off. Amazing how well he is playing with no O line and a wrist not 100%.

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