We need solid tackling. Both LBs and viryltually all our DBs are pretty high on the missed tackles charts.

Miller at ESPN has 12 guys with true 1stcround grades on them. The lowest # since he's been doing this.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/43171016/2025-nfl-draft-board-prospects-first-round-grades-comps

#1. Travis Hunter, WR/CB, Colorado
#2. Abdul Carter, DE/OLB, Penn State
#3. Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
#4. Kelvin Banks Jr., OT, Texas
#5. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
#6. Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
#7. Ashton Jeanty, RB, Boise St.
#8. Jalon Walker, LB/Edge, Georgia
#9. Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State
#10. Luther Burden III, WR Missouri
#11. Tetairoa McMillan, WE, Arizona
#12. Mykel Williams, DE Georgia

No QBs, only 1 OT, only 1 CB. Acouple guys at less valued positions (RB, TE, S).

For me:

Tier 1: Run to podium, needs/schmeeds
#1. Travis Hunter, WR/CB, Colorado
#2. Abdul Carter, DE/OLB, Penn State
#3. Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
#5. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
#6. Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
#8. Jalon Walker, LB/Edge, Georgia
#9. Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State

If Tee isn't back, I'd add the WRs. No on Jeanty or the OT, other needs take precedence. Williams worries me a bit as a tools guy who has not been as productive as his tools suggest he could be. But the above 8, I run to the podium. Starks, Warren, and Walker are the only ones I reallyvsee with a shot at being there.

I'd like Matt Miller to explain to me how he's giving Mykel Williams a straight 1st round grade. He's Myles Murphy with maybe slightly more bend. I do have a 1st round grade on Banks but it's grudgingly.. he had some inconsistent moments against better competition. Like I mentioned in another thread 2 of Mykel Williams 5 sacks were against Banks.


Edit: I do like that he doesn't have Will Campbell on his list who struggled this year.

(01-02-2025, 06:32 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Miller at ESPN has 12 guys with true 1stcround grades on them. The lowest # since he's been doing this.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/43171016/2025-nfl-draft-board-prospects-first-round-grades-comps

#1. Travis Hunter, WR/CB, Colorado
#2. Abdul Carter, DE/OLB, Penn State
#3. Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
#4. Kelvin Banks Jr., OT, Texas
#5. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
#6. Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
#7. Ashton Jeanty, RB, Boise St.
#8. Jalon Walker, LB/Edge, Georgia
#9. Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State
#10. Luther Burden III, WR Missouri
#11. Tetairoa McMillan, WE, Arizona
#12. Mykel Williams, DE Georgia

No QBs, only 1 OT, only 1 CB. Acouple guys at less valued positions (RB, TE, S).

For me:

Tier 1: Run to podium, needs/schmeeds
#1. Travis Hunter, WR/CB, Colorado
#2. Abdul Carter, DE/OLB, Penn State
#3. Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
#5. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
#6. Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
#8. Jalon Walker, LB/Edge, Georgia
#9. Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State

If Tee isn't back, I'd add the WRs. No on Jeanty or the OT, other needs take precedence. Williams worries me a bit as a tools guy who has not been as productive as his tools suggest he could be. But the above 8, I run to the podium. Starks, Warren, and Walker are the only ones I reallyvsee with a shot at being there.

To me, McMillan is a good enough talent to take regardless of Tee. You'll never regret giving Joe more weapons.  That said, 99% he won't be there, so the point is kinda moot.  

Banks, I would be fine with.  You can put him at LG for two years to get acclimated, then slide him to LT when OB's contract is up.  

Folks would hate it, but Jeanty would be a good pick, as well.  You can always find touches for RB's.  Brown probably won't last if we continue to ride him like we have the 2nd half of last year.  He needs someone to take the load off of him, especially in a physical division.  Worst case, you have arguably the best duo in the league for two years and can let Brown walk without paying him.  Or, you can trade Brown and recoup some draft capital in his contract year.


I get needs, but we need to come out of Round 1 with a stud, regardless of position.  

(01-02-2025, 07:15 PM)Synric Wrote: I'd like Matt Miller to explain to me how he's giving Mykel Williams a straight 1st round grade. He's Myles Murphy with maybe slightly more bend. I do have a 1st round grade on Banks but it's grudgingly.. he had some inconsistent moments against better competition. Like I mentioned in another thread 2 of Mykel Williams 5 sacks were against Banks.


Edit: I do like that he doesn't have Will Campbell on his list who struggled this year.

Like Murphy, traits.  Though I don't see enough to distinguish him from edge rushers that can be had later.  He wouldn't be my pick.

Burden is kinda the same way for me.  I just have a hard time justifying a 1st on a slot receiver that doesn't project to having great physical traits.  He feels pumped up because this WR class is so bad.  

(01-03-2025, 10:41 AM)Whatever Wrote: To me, McMillan is a good enough talent to take regardless of Tee. You'll never regret giving Joe more weapons.  That said, 99% he won't be there, so the point is kinda moot.  

Banks, I would be fine with.  You can put him at LG for two years to get acclimated, then slide him to LT when OB's contract is up.  

Folks would hate it, but Jeanty would be a good pick, as well.  You can always find touches for RB's.  Brown probably won't last if we continue to ride him like we have the 2nd half of last year.  He needs someone to take the load off of him, especially in a physical division.  Worst case, you have arguably the best duo in the league for two years and can let Brown walk without paying him.  Or, you can trade Brown and recoup some draft capital in his contract year.


I get needs, but we need to come out of Round 1 with a stud, regardless of position.  

Good post. I second the emotion. Especially that last thought. Pick a stud. However, I was willing to do it for Starks & Warren, but not Jeanty or McMillan or Banks. If the others are gone but Jeanty or Banks or McMillan are there, I'd be looking for a trade down scenario. With Tee's injury history, a #3 option is wise. 

I share the wariness on Williams. If push came to shove, I'd rather take Sourton. Also on moving guys around, like Banks to G. 

(01-03-2025, 10:52 AM)Whatever Wrote: Like Murphy, traits.  Though I don't see enough to distinguish him from edge rushers that can be had later.  He wouldn't be my pick.

Burden is kinda the same way for me.  I just have a hard time justifying a 1st on a slot receiver that doesn't project to having great physical traits.  He feels pumped up because this WR class is so bad.  

I haven't to watched Luther Burden this year but I did watch some back in the spring. He's a YAC receiver that is mostly about getting him into space. Would fit well in Washington, San Francisco, maybe Chicago.


Outside of Jeanty and McMillian (and Hunter if you want to call him a WR) the top end of the entire Offensive Class is meh.

EDGES and DT's. IMO that is where the 1st round talent is deepest.

(01-03-2025, 01:19 PM)Goalpost Wrote: EDGES and DT's.  IMO that is where the 1st round talent is deepest.

And we need borh

(01-03-2025, 12:54 PM)Synric Wrote: I haven't to watched Luther Burden this year but I did watch some back in the spring. He's a YAC receiver that is mostly about getting him into space. Would fit well in Washington, San Francisco, maybe Chicago.


Outside of Jeanty and McMillian (and Hunter if you want to call him a WR) the top end of the entire Offensive Class is meh.

I agree. It means Tee Higgins value for a tag and trade goes up. It seems bad WR classes at the top end up with 2 or 3 surprise WR/s after round 3.

(01-03-2025, 01:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree. It means Tee Higgins value for a tag and trade goes up. It seems bad WR classes at the top end up with 2 or 3 surprise WR/s after round 3.

Loaded FA WR class, though.  You can spend big money on a quality WR and keep your draft capital.

(01-03-2025, 02:48 PM)Whatever Wrote: Loaded FA WR class, though.  You can spend big money on a quality WR and keep your draft capital.

Nah. 

(01-03-2025, 02:58 PM)Synric Wrote: Nah. 

*Shrugs*. Lots of guys that can step into a starting role next year.

My current realistic Top 5 are...

1.Tyler Warren
2.Kenneth Grant
3.Ashton Jeanty
4.Jalon Walker
5.Malaki Starks

(01-02-2025, 06:32 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Miller at ESPN has 12 guys with true 1stcround grades on them. The lowest # since he's been doing this.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/43171016/2025-nfl-draft-board-prospects-first-round-grades-comps

#1. Travis Hunter, WR/CB, Colorado
#2. Abdul Carter, DE/OLB, Penn State
#3. Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
#4. Kelvin Banks Jr., OT, Texas
#5. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
#6. Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
#7. Ashton Jeanty, RB, Boise St.
#8. Jalon Walker, LB/Edge, Georgia
#9. Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State
#10. Luther Burden III, WR Missouri
#11. Tetairoa McMillan, WE, Arizona
#12. Mykel Williams, DE Georgia

No QBs, only 1 OT, only 1 CB. Acouple guys at less valued positions (RB, TE, S).

For me:

Tier 1: Run to podium, needs/schmeeds
#1. Travis Hunter, WR/CB, Colorado
#2. Abdul Carter, DE/OLB, Penn State
#3. Will Johnson, CB, Michigan
#5. Mason Graham, DT, Michigan
#6. Malaki Starks, S, Georgia
#8. Jalon Walker, LB/Edge, Georgia
#9. Tyler Warren, TE, Penn State

If Tee isn't back, I'd add the WRs. No on Jeanty or the OT, other needs take precedence. Williams worries me a bit as a tools guy who has not been as productive as his tools suggest he could be. But the above 8, I run to the podium. Starks, Warren, and Walker are the only ones I reallyvsee with a shot at being there.

If true, I see teams in top 15 reaching. Miller has 0 QB's, Sanders and Ward will be top 10 picks minimum. He has 1 OL. He has 1 DT and DT is deep.

I see us getting a very good pick if we draft in the top 18. These ranking will also change, and Miller is just one guy and he says 2 QB's will go top 5.

(01-03-2025, 02:48 PM)Whatever Wrote: Loaded FA WR class, though.  You can spend big money on a quality WR and keep your draft capital.

I see this changing. Teams will sign their own WR's. List will likely be much different.

(01-03-2025, 02:48 PM)Whatever Wrote: Loaded FA WR class, though.  You can spend big money on a quality WR and keep your draft capital.

You can currently get a SOLID wr in the draft in the 4th-5th round.   Pat Bryant look him up do your research kid is what we're looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21fWJJtr3R4

The picks on offense and defense seem amazing.

I wish the Bengals would take a risk, trade up, and try to get two immediate contirbutors on both side of the ball.

A graham/Skattebro or Corner/LT combo could really be a foundation for us.