(03-17-2025, 05:32 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: It's not like the Bengals were actually held hostage by Joe, to the point they couldn't go any other way. That's just ridiculous. 

If Joe doesn't make his feelings known (repeatedly and  even throughout the season) I'm not sold Tee is extended. Now we know Tee would have had to be if we wanted to keep Chase, but Joe played a big part in this.

I wouldn't say it puts Joe on the "hot seat" But I believe he is at least a bit under pressure for demanding (basically) bringing Tee back. You know more or less at the expense of being able to rebuild a Porus defense.

I mean now the offense has to put up major points every game (including the first 4) of the season because the defense is going be giving up some points I'd say.
But Joe thrives under pressure so I hope it pays off.

(03-17-2025, 05:28 PM)jj22 Wrote: Some of this is everyone demanding they sign them and then now everyone turning on them for ignoring the defense which is typical of the media and lame.

Also it is the same arguments made by some around here who take heat for not necessarily wanting Tee extended. 

Mo - "The fingers are all going to point to Joe Burrow". 

It's completely dishonest to say they can't do this or that until we see the cap hit numbers for the next few years. No one other than the Bengals, right now, know how much money is still available and no one knows how the draft is going to play out. 

It's all silly talking-head conjecture based on what other teams have done in the past with the money they had available and how they handled their cap. None of that relates to the Bengals this year.

(03-17-2025, 05:34 PM)jj22 Wrote: If Joe doesn't make his feelings known (repeatedly and  even throughout the season) I'm not sold Tee is extended. Now we know Tee would have had to be if we wanted to keep Chase, but Joe played a big part in this.

Carson made his feeling known. 

How did that turn out?

People can ramp up the 'Joe runs the Bengals' narrative all they want. I'll just sit here and laugh. 

Its not just Chase and Higgins but the Bengals also re-signed Mike Gesicki at 8.5 million per year because Burrow wanted him back. The national media will be all over Burrow this year and rightfully so. Burrow pushed and pushed the Bengals by calling them out. Now Burrow and the rest of the offense needs to get it done every single week. There are no excuses for Burrow this year. This is what he demanded. This is what he got.

(03-17-2025, 05:17 PM)jj22 Wrote: What happened is unprecedented. Never has a group of players held out to strongarm Ownership. That comes with accountability. Brady nor Mahones could keep their SB teams together. Brady even took less money just to be played for a fool.

They've been discussing how this changes the landscape of the NFL and if other teams top players would follow suit. What we witnessed with this coup is significant. 

Owners may be just as pissed with MB and co as they were with the Browns after they signed Watson to that fully guaranteed contract. 

How did they "strong arm" the Bengals ownership?

Burrow did not threaten to leave or sit out.

Chase and Higgins did not threaten to sit out unless traded.

Bengals made a choice to keep these "Big 3" on veteran contracts.

(03-17-2025, 06:00 PM)ochocincos Wrote: How did they "strong arm" the Bengals ownership?

Burrow did not threaten to leave or sit out.

Chase and Higgins did not threaten to sit out unless traded.

Bengals made a choice to keep these "Big 3" on veteran contracts.

Truth.

(03-17-2025, 06:00 PM)ochocincos Wrote: How did they "strong arm" the Bengals ownership?

Burrow did not threaten to leave or sit out.

Chase and Higgins did not threaten to sit out unless traded.

Bengals made a choice to keep these "Big 3" on veteran contracts.

Didn't Chase and Higgins agent say they wouldnt sign unless both of them were signed?  Wasnt Joe Burrow all over the media telling Bengals management they both need to be signed?  These guys forced this.

(03-17-2025, 06:00 PM)ochocincos Wrote: How did they "strong arm" the Bengals ownership?

Burrow did not threaten to leave or sit out.

Chase and Higgins did not threaten to sit out unless traded.

Bengals made a choice to keep these "Big 3" on veteran contracts.

They were desperately fearful of upsetting Burrow and learned from the Carson situation. Ignoring how Burrow applied pressure is missing a significant moment for this franchise. No excuse for not seeing how pleasing Burrow was influential.  

Chase wasn't signing until Tee signed. They were a package deal and that put the FO in a tough spot. That's what the discussion on how this has changed the league is coming from as players now team up in all or no one negotiations. Bengals handed star players around the league a huge win as now they can demand / make their friends sign extensions or they won't ultimatums....  

This was a significant moment for the league and there's no reason to not acknowledge it. 

(03-17-2025, 06:11 PM)jj22 Wrote: They were desperately fearful of upsetting Burrow and learned from the Carson situation. Ignoring how Burrow applied pressure is missing a significant moment. for this franchise. No excuse for not seeing how pleasing Burrow was influential.  

Chase wasn't signing until Tee signed. They were a package deal and that put the FO in a tough spot. 

Ramp it up fellas!!

Offensive line has been an issue before these contracts…like for years! The defense has been flash and trash, but more trash trajectory of late. Hell, forget before the contracts, been that way before Burrow got here. Drafted Burrow and Chase because the team sucked. Not on Burrow if the team hasn’t changed. If you’re going to lose, better to do it very rich.

(03-17-2025, 06:11 PM)jj22 Wrote: They were desperately fearful of upsetting Burrow and learned from the Carson situation. Ignoring how Burrow applied pressure is missing a significant moment for this franchise. No excuse for not seeing how pleasing Burrow was influential.  

Chase wasn't signing until Tee signed. They were a package deal and that put the FO in a tough spot. That's what the discussion on how this has changed the league is coming from as players now team up in all or no one negotiations. Bengals handed star players around the league a huge win as now they can demand / make their friends sign extensions or they won't ultimatums....  

This was a significant moment for the league and there's no reason to not acknowledge it. 

IF that actually was the case where Chase 100% wasn't going to sign without Higgins, that's still ownership's decision to proceed or not.

If they didn't feel comfortable, they could have let both walk out the door after their contracts expire, or trade 1/both of them.

Burrow already signed his deal so he was stuck lol.

(03-17-2025, 05:19 PM)jj22 Wrote: Why? This wasn't his plan.. Why is everyone going to take the fall because the front office was held hostage by 3 players? 

When we didn't pay them, we were cheap when we pay them, we overpay and are stupid.

Lots of news stories pushing this same BS. No matter what the Bengals chose to do it was going to be dumb by some fan's views and news stations.

(03-17-2025, 01:25 PM)jj22 Wrote: Celebrating Burrow (and Chase and Tee) placing pressure on the FO in unprecedented ways to stay together means that any collapse of this plan fall solely on him. This is his vision of team building and thus any failure must fall squarely at his feet.

All is great as long as the plan works. If it doesn't. The "I told you so" card is in the hands of the FO. How will fans react?

Question?

Does that put pressure on Burrow?

I mean, sort of I suppose, but it's not like he plays poorly one way or another. He seems to be steady regardless of the scenario, so not sure it changes things much for him. 

He has two #1 WRs and a host of other weapons. A breakout young RB that can catch and run like the wind. A vet TE that is a nightmare matchup for most LBs, and two monster starting Tackles. He's probably feeling pretty damn fired up right now. 

Realistically we are only one or two successful drafts away from being capable of making another run, imho. I think the young DBs are about to show their worth and growth this season. Add in a bare minimum, one more decent LB, G, and pass rusher. These players can be drafted on team friendly rookie deals.

We're making another run people. Count on it!

(03-17-2025, 07:59 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: I mean, sort of I suppose, but it's not like he plays poorly one way or another. He seems to be steady regardless of the scenario, so not sure it changes things much for him. 

He has two #1 WRs and a host of other weapons. A breakout young RB that can catch and run like the wind. A vet TE that is a nightmare matchup for most LBs, and two monster starting Tackles. He's probably feeling pretty damn fired up right now. 

Realistically we are only one or two successful drafts away from being capable of making another run, imho. I think the young DBs are about to show their worth and growth this season. Add in a bare minimum, one more decent LB, G, and pass rusher. These players can be drafted on team friendly rookie deals.

We're making another run people. Count on it!

Nice post Coach, got me pumped!!!

It’s not impossible to build a contender from here, but they will have to hit well in the draft and have good player development.

Which they haven’t had in a long time

(03-17-2025, 04:35 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: The only hot seat I see is under Zac if we miss the playoffs 3 years in a row that is a big issue.

Agree.Him resting the starters,all preseason.has to stop.Every year,they start out slow.Because the starters,did not play,in the preseason.

Boy wonder Zak Taylor is n the hot seat. At minimum if they don’t make the playoffs and have top 5 offense his butt needs to be thrown out of paycor stadium. It’s his baby now

(03-17-2025, 05:31 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: they just made winning a super bowl that much harder. Hope Burrow likes breaking records on 9-8 teams. 

Drew Brees Saints 2.0 circa 2012-2016

front office caved..look I like Higgins..when healthy ..a very good receiver..but man tying that much money up in three players recipe for problems down the line.

(03-17-2025, 09:30 PM)Bronxbengal Wrote: Boy wonder Zak Taylor is n the hot seat.  At minimum if they don’t make the playoffs and have top 5 offense his butt needs to be thrown out of paycor stadium.  It’s his baby now

how do you..or we ..know Taylor was the driving force in resigning Higgins