(03-23-2025, 06:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you include the value of the team; of course that doesn't change the fact that's he's the poorest owner in the NFL.

Many owners do football as a hobby; it's the brown's livelihood. They cannot afford the escrow nor put the team deep in debt like other NFL owners.

(03-23-2025, 08:22 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Jesus you people are so irrational about the steelers lol

I'm not irrational. I just don't give a **** about them because they're irrelevant when it comes to challenging for a championship. 

(03-23-2025, 09:08 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'll just say the obvious answer is Quarterback play. But I'm not gonna get into the who has done better roster management. I will say the year they got Minkah they started the season bad and they traded a 1st for him and he helped right the ship. That move is something the Bengals would never do.

Steelers have dominant defense, terrible offense.

Bengals have dominant offense, terrible offense.

Steelers coaching is likely better.

Now our SB year, we had a really good roster. It's declined.

Put Burrow on Steelers and they're a SB caliber team.

mentioning the steelers causes nothing but seethe in here lmao

(03-23-2025, 11:48 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: mentioning the steelers causes nothing but seethe in here lmao

I simply mentioned the Steelers to compare them to the Bengals in reference of owner's worth and the model, in which, they structure contracts. 

I suppose I made the "mistake" of suggesting the Bengals have done it better over the last couple years.

That motivated some poster to bold it, enlarge it, and lol at it. So I agree mentioning the Steelers does trigger some fans. 

(03-23-2025, 06:05 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you include the value of the team; of course that doesn't change the fact that's he's the poorest owner in the NFL.

Many owners do football as a hobby; it's the brown's livelihood. They cannot afford the escrow nor put the team deep in debt like other NFL owners.

People have taken much smaller sums than a billion dollars as starting points and multiplied wealth greatly, including from a million to become billionaires. Imagine starting with a billion dollars in capital. 

If The Family is too poor to afford the escrow to sign players, then go out and diversify and  multiple your billion dollars. Posters claim the Browns are good business people. If so, expand your empire so that the fans are not continually dealing with "we are too poor relative to other owners, so we can't afford the escrow."

(03-23-2025, 11:48 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: mentioning the steelers causes nothing but seethe in here lmao

Have you been a Bengals fan for longer than 5 years?

(03-24-2025, 11:07 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Have you been a Bengals fan for longer than 5 years?

I expect some rationale when discussing football

(03-23-2025, 11:48 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: mentioning the steelers causes nothing but seethe in here lmao

Come on give it up, we know you are a Steeler's fan posing in JN so you can post here.

“Why do the steelers draft better than cincy?”

“durrrr you must be a steelers fan”

(03-24-2025, 11:30 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: I expect some rationale when discussing football

I don't know that you can say it's irrational to say they're cheating shitstains that like to employ criminals and the dregs of society all in the name of winning, when it's actually true. 

(03-24-2025, 02:21 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: “Why do the steelers draft better than cincy?”

“durrrr you must be a steelers fan”

They draft better?

They hit and miss just as much as we do, that's a fact.

(03-24-2025, 09:27 AM)Nepa Wrote: People have taken much smaller sums than a billion dollars as starting points and multiplied wealth greatly, including from a million to become billionaires. Imagine starting with a billion dollars in capital. 

If The Family is too poor to afford the escrow to sign players, then go out and diversify and  multiple your billion dollars. Posters claim the Browns are good business people. If so, expand your empire so that the fans are not continually dealing with "we are too poor relative to other owners, so we can't afford the escrow."

The whole "Mike Brown is good at business and not football" narrative doesn't ring true. Not something I hear much of anymore but still clearly not good at business if he still remains too poor to match the league average. 

(03-24-2025, 09:27 AM)Nepa Wrote: People have taken much smaller sums than a billion dollars as starting points and multiplied wealth greatly, including from a million to become billionaires. Imagine starting with a billion dollars in capital. 

If The Family is too poor to afford the escrow to sign players, then go out and diversify and  multiple your billion dollars. Posters claim the Browns are good business people. If so, expand your empire so that the fans are not continually dealing with "we are too poor relative to other owners, so we can't afford the escrow."

I get folks enjoy telling the Brown's how to spend the Brown's money.

I'm just giving rational (it's important to Frank) as to why the Bengals structure contracts as they do. 

Like I said, for yours and other folks in the same boat peace of mind. If you can't accept it, find a team that does. Life's too short to follow a team that makes you unhappy. 

(03-24-2025, 06:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I get folks enjoy telling the Brown's how to spend the Brown's money.

I'm just giving rational (it's important to Frank) as to why the Bengals structure contracts as they do. 

Like I said, for yours and other folks in the same boat peace of mind. If you can't accept it, find a team that does. Life's too short to follow a team that makes you unhappy. 

Nasty and uncalled for.

(03-22-2025, 02:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: This may be the best contract ever negoatiated by Katie and Troy for Tee Higgins. Below is the link, great read.  It is important to understand all of the incentives have to be included in the cap year for each incentive. By my calculations, he could lose a huge portion of his incentives if he misses games. The more he misses impacts not only his per game bonus, but also he has team incentives for helping us win the Super Bowl. No super bowl win, no bonus. No AFC championship win, no bonus.

The per game and incentives amount to 4.7 million of the total deal per year.

The contract includes a two-tiered incentive package in each of the four seasons. If Higgins participates in 65 percent of the plays and the Bengals win the AFC Championship, he gets $1 million. If he participates in 65 percent of the plays and they win the Super Bowl, he gets $1.7 million.

Nothing in 2025 is guaranteed; however, the $20 million roster bonus is earned five days after Higgins puts pen to paper. The only true full guarantee at signing is the $10 million 2026 offseason roster bonus.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/inside-tee-higgins-deal-234105996.html

So what did he get? Here are the details, per a source with knowledge of the terms:

1. 2025 offseason 90-man roster bonus: $20 million, not guaranteed but due five days after signing.

2. 2025 offseason workout bonus: $100,000.

3. 2025 base salary: $13.8 million, not guaranteed at signing.

4. 2025 active per-game roster bonus: $2 million total.

5. 2026 offseason 90-man roster bonus: $10 million, fully guaranteed, with offset language.

6. 2026 offseason workout bonus: $100,000.

7. 2026 base salary: $10.9 million, fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2026 league year.

8. 2026 active per-game roster bonus: $2 million total.

9. 2027 offseason 90-man roster bonus: $5 million.

10. 2027 offseason workout bonus: $100,000.

11. 2027 base salary: $19.2 million.

12. 2027 active per-game roster bonus: $2 million total.

13. 2028 offseason workout bonus: $500,000.

14. 2028 base salary: $27.3 million.

15. 2028 active per-game roster bonus: $2 million total.

The contract includes a two-tiered incentive package in each of the four seasons. If Higgins participates in 65 percent of the plays and the Bengals win the AFC Championship, he gets $1 million. If he participates in 65 percent of the plays and they win the Super Bowl, he gets $1.7 million.

Nothing in 2025 is guaranteed; however, the $20 million roster bonus is earned five days after Higgins puts pen to paper. The only true full guarantee at signing is the $10 million 2026 offseason roster bonus.

The Bengals have, as a practical matter, a year-to-year option. They can pay him $35.9 million for 2025 (if he dresses for every game and earns the $2 million in per-game roster bonuses), and they can move on before the 2026 base salary becomes fully guaranteed. (It's not guaranteed for injury.)

Because the $10 million guaranteed 2026 roster bonus has offset language, they'd likely owe him nothing if they cut him after one year — since he'd likely make more elsewhere.

As a practical matter, it's a two-year, $29.45 million per year contract. But they're not fully committed to year two. It truly could be a one-year, $35.9 million deal.

Put simply, the contract gives Higgins $9.74 million more than the tag for 2025, and $10 million in (as a practical matter) injury insurance for 2026. While it's his prerogative to take the deal, some would have opted to play on the tag in 2025 and hit unrestricted free agency in 2026.

One last point. Although per-game roster bonuses are regarded as part of the base package, this deal has a total of $8 million tied to Higgins being able to suit up every week. He has missed 10 games over the past two seasons; that would cost him $1.17 million under his new contract.

Great breakdown Luvnit. I love the incentive laden contract here for Tee. This is what makes it worth it. He gets paid way more if he stays 
healthy and way less if he doesn't. Great motivation, I hope he talks to Housh about that yoga stuff he did to help him get over his early 
hammy issues during his career.

(03-24-2025, 06:48 PM)Nepa Wrote: Nasty and uncalled for.

Unsure how much nicer I could have been in my reply 

IMO, if you ask any football fan if they would take the Bengals roster or Steelers - you know the answer.

If you compare the rosters based on positional value, we come out ahead.

If one understands how difficult it is to find a true franchise QB, also understands that this Steeler roster better than Bengals roster stuff is garbage. We not only have a true franchise QB, we also have top of the league receivers and pass rusher, and really good bookends on OL. The only position in the value critical positions that Steelers maybe better than us, is the CB1.

Lastly in terms of coaching; Tomlin is Marvin Lewis 2.0 at this point. He used the Cowher roster to win and lose a SB, a decade and a half ago. This decade, its been one and done, 4 WC losses in playoffs when they get there. Actually, Marvin lewis would have loved to have the Steeler front office and Rooney pockets.

Now, the simpleton who initially started this nonsense, may come back with an argument around totality of roster. But that is just garbage on garbage.

(03-24-2025, 08:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Unsure how much nicer I could have been in my reply 

While I wouldn't define it as nasty and uncalled for suggesting fans that want to point at the FO failings while not buying the BS line we are poor. Isn't the best response. Maybe suggest a Mike Brown go fund me start up. He clearly needs the cash.

(03-24-2025, 06:48 PM)Nepa Wrote: Nasty and uncalled for.

Maybe you are to invested in the team?

Love the Bengals, been a fan since their first SB run, but not getting worked up about them.

Regardless, we are all on the same team, take criticism with a grain of salt.