(03-27-2025, 08:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Yeah, and I'm not hacking on Trey personally, just using him as an example. (And no doubt Trey is now underpaid for his production) We see this all the time with other players as well. As soon as a player at their position starts making a lot more money than they do, they want to re-negotiate in the middle of their deal. 

you ever watch trey Hendrickson..unlike a lot of other pass rushers he totally neglects the other aspects of defensive line play..he never gets out of his wrestling match with the offensive tackle..he stood out because our defense was so lousy the majority of the year

(03-26-2025, 04:16 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Why would anyone want the NFL to turn into something like MLB?  Fully guaranteed contracts are a bad idea.  Look at Cleveland with Deshaun Watson.  Does anyone really want that for the entire NFL?  It's not good for the team.  Its not good for their fans.  It's not good for the NFL as a whole.  If players cant guarantee their same level of production why should their contracts be guaranteed.  In my job if I start sucking at what I do, I get let go.  

Being able to cut guys allows that extra money to go toward other guys that are playing better.  What if everyone in the NFL were on guaranteed contracts right now and the salary cap stays flat?  How would you pay all the rookies coming off their contracts?  and other players coming off their current contracts that deserve a raise.  You need to be able to cut players and give that money to other players that deserve a raise instead of those that are under-performing.

...and void years are bad too.  You are borrowing money from future years to pay current players.  Its like going to a check cashing place to borrow money on your future checks to pay a current debt.  Next month when you have to pay bills, you have less money to cover your expenses.

Well part of the reason MLB can pull it off is because they don't have a salary cap.
But IMO a salary cap would help basically force good players to go elsewhere, resulting in more parity across the league.
I see your point about not being good for the team, but how is it not good for the fans?
I would think that since players are caring about guaranteed money more these days, they'd be willing to take a lower overall contract if it was fully guaranteed.
And it may result in teams offering smaller, shorter contracts overall to help them field as strong of a team as possible.

Now if you're saying having fully guaranteed contracts may make it hard for some teams like the Eagles be able to field such a good team and they may get worse, well that's kind of the whole point. It would force teams to change their approach to how they handle contracts and negotiate across the league.

NFL injuries make it near impossible for owners to agree to give more guaranteed money. Huge difference of injuries in MLB and NFL in my opinion.

(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: NFL injuries make it near impossible for owners to agree to give more guaranteed money. Huge difference of injuries in MLB and NFL in my opinion.

That's exactly it.

Even the worst injuries like a torn UCL or Rotator Cuff, you'll be back in a year, good as new (though for the latter, it wasn't until recently that it was a sure thing: shoulders were always 50/50).

(03-27-2025, 09:49 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: you ever watch trey Hendrickson..unlike a lot of other pass rushers he totally neglects the other aspects of defensive line play..he never gets out of his wrestling match with the offensive tackle..he stood out because our defense was so lousy the majority of the year

Your silly story doesn't pass the smell test. 

(03-27-2025, 09:49 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: you ever watch trey Hendrickson..unlike a lot of other pass rushers he totally neglects the other aspects of defensive line play..he never gets out of his wrestling match with the offensive tackle..he stood out because our defense was so lousy the majority of the year

Can we ban this guy already?

This is clear and blatant rage/shitposting

(03-27-2025, 11:56 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Your silly story doesn't pass the smell test. 

I think he's basically saying Hendrickson had so many sacks because none of the other guys were able to get there sooner, which does have at least some merit.
But the goal is not to have the NFL sack leader, it's to have the most team sacks.
I think Hendrickson would still be in the 12-15 range with more prolific pass rushers on the DL with him.
Dude deserves to be paid near top dollar. He's right up there with Watt and Garrett as one of the best pass rushers in the league over the past 3-5 years.\
Hendrickson's run defense could be better, but it's still solid.

(03-27-2025, 11:57 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Can we ban this guy already?

This is clear and blatant rage/shitposting

I would argue it may just be an opinion that is in the (high) minority of posters.
I don't agree with it, but I don't think it deserves a ban/suspension.
IMO if people don't like a poster, utilize the block feature.

(03-27-2025, 01:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I would argue it may just be an opinion that is in the (high) minority of posters.
I don't agree with it, but I don't think it deserves a ban/suspension.
IMO if people don't like a poster, utilize the block feature.

It was more just a whiney, "can we get rid of this guy already?" But yes, I know what we can do :)

Just have to deal with him like Fred

(03-27-2025, 01:21 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: It was more just a whiney, "can we get rid of this guy already?" But yes, I know what we can do :)

Just have to deal with him like Fred

Yeah, ignore the dude.

(03-27-2025, 11:55 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: That's exactly it.

Even the worst injuries like a torn UCL or Rotator Cuff, you'll be back in a year, good as new (though for the latter, it wasn't until recently that it was a sure thing: shoulders were always 50/50).

Yeah, NFL football is another animal than MLB for sure.

(03-27-2025, 01:09 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think he's basically saying Hendrickson had so many sacks because none of the other guys were able to get there sooner, which does have at least some merit.
But the goal is not to have the NFL sack leader, it's to have the most team sacks.
I think Hendrickson would still be in the 12-15 range with more prolific pass rushers on the DL with him.
Dude deserves to be paid near top dollar. He's right up there with Watt and Garrett as one of the best pass rushers in the league over the past 3-5 years.\
Hendrickson's run defense could be better, but it's still solid.

No. He was saying the only thing Trey does is rush the passer and totally neglects every other aspect of a DLman's play. He 'never gets out of being engaged with the Oline'. 

Basically, he said he's a 1 trick pony, unlike the other EDs and LBs that rush the passer. 

(03-26-2025, 10:19 AM)CJD Wrote: I don't know who their other players are, but if those are their top 3 players in the entire agency, Trey should probably join a bigger agency.

(03-26-2025, 02:35 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: This is what I was thinking, cannot fire the agent or something...

(03-26-2025, 02:38 PM)QueenCity Wrote: A player of Trey Hendrickson caliber should not be working with an agent wannabe. The players they have signed are mostly roster fodder.

Funny part is if he had a big time agent (eg: Mulugheta) there'd still be people blaming his agent for the lack of extension and saying he needed to fire his agent so they could actually get a deal done.

(03-27-2025, 02:05 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Funny part is if he had a big time agent (eg: Mulugheta) there'd still be people blaming his agent for the lack of extension and saying he needed to fire his agent so they could actually get a deal done.

Bit time agent or not, it just seems like his actual agent has chosen some really weird PR strategies, like putting it out there that a guy as old as Hendrickson might sit out a year at that point in his career/contract situation. I'm not sure anyone honestly believed that was going to be a real option.

I think part of it too is that Trey is such a standup guy and doesn't really show the "me-first" attitude that a lot of players that get into these money debates end up doing, at least from a public perception standpoint. So I think that makes it look like the agent is driving this wedge between Hendrickson and the team. 

I just came here to say that I think this is the year Cedric Ogbuehi puts it all together.

(03-26-2025, 02:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: That is a tough one. Maybe they go with Warren because there are no character concerns with him?

I would agree with this take even though a pass rushing 3-tech is more of a need for us than a great all around TE.

But Erick All's injury actually makes an all around TE a bigger need than maybe some like to admit.

The obvious choices would probably be Nolen or Grant. The Safety from SC was already off the board.

I just like the idea of Chase and Tee combined with Gesicki and Warren. Burton who? That's some serious weaponry with high gimmick play probability. Warren could also play some Full-Back/catch passes out of the backfield, plus he would be joining on a rookie 4 year deal that pairs nicely with the Chase/Tee/Gesicki deals. 

I wouldn't be upset either way.

(03-27-2025, 02:05 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Funny part is if he had a big time agent (eg: Mulugheta) there'd still be people blaming his agent for the lack of extension and saying he needed to fire his agent so they could actually get a deal done.

Well, Tee had to fire Mulugheta to get his extension here. Maybe we were right about both agents eh TLL?

Ja'Marr's agent seems pretty big time after getting both deals done to me, more so than the ones that couldn't get their clients their money.

(03-26-2025, 03:58 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: I don’t think I’ve seen one site that has Warren ranked lower than nolen as prospect.  Odds would be fairly high if Warren is there he would be “bpa”.  We shall see come draft night 

Walter's latest mock has Nolen going #17 and Warren going #18.

(03-27-2025, 04:23 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: The obvious choices would probably be Nolen or Grant. The Safety from SC was already off the board.

I just like the idea of Chase and Tee combined with Gesicki and Warren. Burton who? That's some serious weaponry with high gimmick play probability. Warren could also play some Full-Back/catch passes out of the backfield, plus he would be joining on a rookie 4 year deal that pairs nicely with the Chase/Tee/Gesicki deals. 

I wouldn't be upset either way.

All good thoughts Coach. The more I think about it I would take Warren every time if that is what is staring us in the face at 17.

He would play a lot more than a pass rushing 3-tech as a rookie and we could get a 3-tech like Norman-Lott later to rush the passer.

(03-27-2025, 01:58 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: No. He was saying the only thing Trey does is rush the passer and totally neglects every other aspect of a DLman's play. He 'never gets out of being engaged with the Oline'. 

Basically, he said he's a 1 trick pony, unlike the other EDs and LBs that rush the passer. 

I'm just sitting here still trying to figure out how he has all those sacks if he can't disengage from the tackle.