(03-26-2025, 09:27 PM)jj22 Wrote: I hope they pass on Stewart….

Keep an eye on his counterpart.

Nope, Stewart is the man

IDK why folks are sleeping on Landon Jackson. Dude has Stewart's athleticism while producing sacks. He could most likely be had 1-round later

(03-27-2025, 12:57 AM)bfine32 Wrote: IDK why folks are sleeping on Landon Jackson. Dude has Stewart's athleticism while producing sacks. He could most likely be had 1-round later

From what ive read  from those that do this for living it is the ceiling level, Stewart with his speed, athletics and flexibility has a higher ceiling projection in pro game, but your point is taken on jackson. Also if they are set on drafting edge high #17  is a great position to get one that they like with a deep 1st round group, who knowns what will be there by mid 2nd.

The most successful pass rushers in the NFL are typically players that showcased both good production and good athleticism in college. These are your Myles Garretts, Josh Hines-Allens, Aiden Hutchinsons etc.

Once you go a tier below that, you get players who had good production but bad athleticism in college and players who had bad production in college but good athleticism.

Stewart is in that third group.

From my perspective, we already tried that when we drafted Myles Murphy.

It was a disaster (so far).

So, if we can't have a prospect from the first group, I'd like to try our hand at the second group before trying the third group again.

The players that people always reference that fit Stewart's profile of elite athlete with horrible production are Rashan Gary and Danielle Hunter. A third example given is Travon Walker. He has had back to back 10 sack seasons, but I hear his advanced stats still leave a lot to be desired (a lot of clean up sacks, basically).

I personally think Hunter was drafted in the correct range for this particular profile. The 3rd round.

Taking a player with bad production in the first round just seems like bad business to me. Not every prospect will be Rashan Gary.

But I'm not a professional scout, and scouts always love players with Stewart's profile.

(03-27-2025, 10:10 AM)CJD Wrote: The most successful pass rushers in the NFL are typically players that showcased both good production and good athleticism in college. These are your Myles Garretts, Josh Hines-Allens, Aiden Hutchinsons etc.

Once you go a tier below that, you get players who had good production but bad athleticism in college and players who had bad production in college but good athleticism.

Stewart is in that third group.

From my perspective, we already tried that when we drafted Myles Murphy.

It was a disaster (so far).

So, if we can't have a prospect from the first group, I'd like to try our hand at the second group before trying the third group again.

The players that people always reference that fit Stewart's profile of elite athlete with horrible production are Rashan Gary and Danielle Hunter. A third example given is Travon Walker. He has had back to back 10 sack seasons, but I hear his advanced stats still leave a lot to be desired (a lot of clean up sacks, basically).

I personally think Hunter was drafted in the correct range for this particular profile. The 3rd round.

Taking a player with bad production in the first round just seems like bad business to me. Not every prospect will be Rashan Gary.

But I'm not a professional scout, and scouts always love players with Stewart's profile.

Stewart is rated at a higher level than Murphy, you can split hairs on all D ends, interesting some have compared him to a Garrett style, he is much more athletic than Murphy and also why projected top 20 pick even with a deep group... Im still in the trade back camp but unless somehow Booker drops to #17 (highly unlikely) and since safety area in draft is not good and we would be reaching i think at #17  if one of the top ends is out there with the unknown of Trey and lack of depth we have, end or hybrid Edge/Lb seems to be the best pick if we stay at 17.

(03-27-2025, 11:40 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Stewart is rated at a higher level than Murphy, you can split hairs on all D ends, interesting some have compared him to a Garrett style, he is much more athletic than Murphy and also why projected top 20 pick even with a deep group... Im still in the trade back camp but unless somehow Booker drops to #17 (highly unlikely) and since safety area in draft is not good and we would be reaching i think at #17  if one of the top ends is out there with the unknown of Trey and lack of depth we have, end or hybrid Edge/Lb seems to be the best pick if we stay at 17.

I understand what you're saying. Stewart is a better athlete than Murphy, for sure. But they are in the same category of prospect, as they both had bad production and good athleticism in college. I don't think anyone is putting him in the Myles Garrett style. Garrett was a complete prospect. Stewart is a project in every sense of the word.

I like the idea of drafting DL in the first, but only if they're the BPA. You mention Booker. I think he'll likely be available at 17, but I'm not sure we should draft him either. He had a really bad day at the combine.

(03-27-2025, 12:57 AM)bfine32 Wrote: IDK why folks are sleeping on Landon Jackson. Dude has Stewart's athleticism while producing sacks. He could most likely be had 1-round later

Nice call here Bfine. What college is Landon Jackson from again?

This team is really bad at developing potential without production in high picks. They need to get someone that can play on day 1.

(03-27-2025, 01:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nice call here Bfine. What college is Landon Jackson from again?

Arkansas

(03-27-2025, 01:10 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nice call here Bfine. What college is Landon Jackson from again?

As pulses said, Arkansas started at LSU. I saw them show speed at the 10-yard mark at the combine 40, and Jackson was faster than Stewart. 

Also recently watched him in an interview, seems like a good dude. He said you want me to bulk up and play inside I can do it, you want me to cut weight and stand up I can do it. 

Jackson's RAS came in at very noticeable 9.88.

(03-27-2025, 07:01 PM)pulses Wrote: Arkansas

Thanks Pulses.

(03-27-2025, 08:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As pulses said, Arkansas started at LSU. I saw them show speed at the 10-yard mark at the combine 40, and Jackson was faster than Stewart. 

Also recently watched him in an interview, seems like a good dude. He said you want me to bulk up and play inside I can do it, you want me to cut weight and stand up I can do it. 

I watched a couple of Arkansas games and I remember him now. This sounds like a great thought in round 2 and him being a good dude
on top of it makes me feel better than the other Ends with production in Green and Pearce who have character concerns. Stewart just does
not have the production and that scares me as it should most from history of these types of projects.

(03-27-2025, 08:10 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Jackson's RAS came in at very noticeable 9.88.

Nice.   I am not all about RAS scores but if you got a guy that produces and has great ones, that stands out in a great way.

(03-27-2025, 12:28 PM)CJD Wrote: I understand what you're saying. Stewart is a better athlete than Murphy, for sure. But they are in the same category of prospect, as they both had bad production and good athleticism in college. I don't think anyone is putting him in the Myles Garrett style. Garrett was a complete prospect. Stewart is a project in every sense of the word.

I like the idea of drafting DL in the first, but only if they're the BPA. You mention Booker. I think he'll likely be available at 17, but I'm not sure we should draft him either. He had a really bad day at the combine.

some very good players had a bad day at combine, what they do on the field is still more important to the team organization, if the top guard is on the board, man passing on him would be a mistake, i read two articles that mentioned Garrett with Stewart...

Stewart refused drills at the combine, and his pro day. He is off my board. Pearce is off my board for his character issues. Both georgia guys don't do it for me. I'm at Mike Green, Nick Emonwara, or Walter Nolan. Landon Jackson round two sounds better to me.

(03-27-2025, 08:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As pulses said, Arkansas started at LSU. I saw them show speed at the 10-yard mark at the combine 40, and Jackson was faster than Stewart. 

Also recently watched him in an interview, seems like a good dude. He said you want me to bulk up and play inside I can do it, you want me to cut weight and stand up I can do it. 

Stewart's 10 yard split was a 1.58 and 40 was a 4.59 Jackson's was a 1.65 and a 4.68 so not sure where you get Jackson's was faster.

(03-24-2025, 03:07 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: What's everyone's take on Shemar Stewart ? Is he a good option @ 17 or no ?

Here's the NFL sites take:

S. Stewart edge Texas A & M 6'5" 267 lbs.  6.41 rating

Stewart is carved from granite, possessing a rare blend of traits, explosiveness and untapped upside. He’s long and sudden off the snap but hasn’t learned to weaponize his hands to control the point of attack and bypass protection with go-to moves. His bull-rush compresses the pocket off the edge, and he’s too athletic for guards when reduced inside. He can be very disruptive in both phases but requires additional training to start converting his opportunities into finishes. The lack of production relative to the traits is a concern; still, players who move like him are highly coveted. While the boom-or-bust label might be in play, it feels like a matter of time before it all starts to click at a high level.

Production isn't end all, be all (just like athletic profile isn't either), but he had NO production, essentially.

IMO, that's alarming.

(03-26-2025, 12:09 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm just going to leave this here...

Shemar Stewart vs. Notre Dame pic.twitter.com/HZJAJAyWBi

— Bengals & Brews (@BengalsBrews) March 25, 2025

So I see he planted the LT on his ass a few times, good good.

Otherwise, he looks like Brandon Thompson to me (not in terms of position or physical look, obviously): beats his guy every time, but 49/50 times is not in the play.

I loved seeing Thompson's first step and him getting into the backfield all the time, but he was out of the play almost every time and the same in the clips of Stewart you showed: of those snaps, how many plays did he actually make or affect? 3 at best?

I'm not sold.

I'd much rather take Scourton (though not at 17. Not sure he drops to 49 either).

I heard a stat about Stewart from Mike Renner. TLDR I don't think I'd spend a 4th rounder on the guy after learning about it.

When they found out that Billy Price had 1st percentile arm length that should've been the end of it. There should've been an understanding that a guy like that is not to be taken in the first round unless you know something that the rest of the league doesn't. Stewart's stat pertains to individual run stop percentage. 

28:35
https://youtu.be/dz8WuQAw7wQ?si=vqNoqpdKaG_a598a

He ranks 203 out of 204 in run stop percentage. The man cannot play the game of football. 

(03-28-2025, 10:24 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: I heard a stat about Stewart from Mike Renner. TLDR I don't think I'd spend a 4th rounder on the guy after learning about it.

When they found out that Billy Price had 1st percentile arm length that should've been the end of it. There should've been an understanding that a guy like that is not to be taken in the first round unless you know something that the rest of the league doesn't. Stewart's stat pertains to individual run stop percentage. 

28:35
https://youtu.be/dz8WuQAw7wQ?si=vqNoqpdKaG_a598a

He ranks 203 out of 204 in run stop percentage. The man cannot play the game of football. 

So he's bad at rushing the passer and bad at stopping the run.

Sounds like a bad player haha.

(03-24-2025, 06:26 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: I am a hard pass on Stewart and M. Williams.

Not even on my board.

We don't have to take an end at #17. Green is an acceptable alternative. So is taking Walker/Warren/Johnson/W. Campbell if they drop, staying put and taking Emmanwori/Loveland/J. Campbell/Starks, or teading back and taking a DT or Jackson/Zabel.

I'd be confortable with any of those moves.

Completely agree. I'm not too sure on Emmanwori being a fit here but would accept the pick. If we stay put i want IOL or a player maker on defense at a position outside of Dline like Starks or j. Campbell. But if we go edge Green would be good. I really like Nolen but with the DT signings I think its off the board rd 1.

(03-28-2025, 10:47 PM)CJD Wrote: So he's bad at rushing the passer and bad at stopping the run.

Sounds like a bad player haha.

When you have a guy with Stewart's athletic profile and lack of production, it's troubling.

I mean, some will point to pressures, but why can't he finish?  With his ability there's no good reason why he can't.  That run stop rate points to a complete lack of effort.  Kid doesn't have the "want to" to finish plays, either putting in that extra effort on the field or in practice so he CAN finish.  He doesn't care enough about that.  It doesn't mean enough to him.  

He just feels like the type of guy that doesn't love the game and sees it as a means to an end.  He cruises on his athletic ability, knows he'll be a first round pick because some teams will sell themselves on the idea that they can "fix" or "motivate" him, and he'll be out of the league in a few years having "earned" more than enough money to retire comfortably.