I’ll obviously take 2 guards but the issue was both Volson and Cappa were boo boo. Teams could run stunts and get pass rush wins from both spots


If you get 1 good guard and sure up one side we can scheme to help the weaker guard and the line will be amazing



I am still not convinced the Bengals see Volson as a problem and i bet they think Peter’s can work with him and get him on track.

What are defenses gonna do? Run every blitz at our weaker guard? You do ANYTHING too many times in a game and it’ll become less effective. I could see a ton of 13 personnel where Perine is the back and Sample is the TE and we’re having both pass protect.

(04-02-2025, 10:25 AM)Housh Wrote: I’ll obviously take 2 guards but the issue was both Volson and Cappa were boo boo. Teams could run stunts and get pass rush wins from both spots


If you get 1 good guard and sure up one side we can scheme to help the weaker guard and the line will be amazing



I am still not convinced the Bengals see Volson as a problem and i bet they think Peter’s can work with him and get him on track.

What are defenses gonna do? Run every blitz at our weaker guard? You do ANYTHING too many times in a game and it’ll become less effective. I could see a ton of 13 personnel where Perine is the back and Sample is the TE and we’re having both pass protect.

I would disagree, as they would not have benched him in favor of Cody Ford, nor would they have given Cody Ford a 2-year, $6 mill deal.
Volson is also in the last year of his rookie deal, so why bank on him at this point?

My expectation is Ford ends up starting at LG, and a draft pick competes with Patrick for RG.

(04-02-2025, 10:25 AM)Housh Wrote: I’ll obviously take 2 guards but the issue was both Volson and Cappa were boo boo. Teams could run stunts and get pass rush wins from both spots


If you get 1 good guard and sure up one side we can scheme to help the weaker guard and the line will be amazing



I am still not convinced the Bengals see Volson as a problem and i bet they think Peter’s can work with him and get him on track.

What are defenses gonna do? Run every blitz at our weaker guard? You do ANYTHING too many times in a game and it’ll become less effective. I could see a ton of 13 personnel where Perine is the back and Sample is the TE and we’re having both pass protect.

you know..aside from a couple of really bad picks..mainly because they were out of shape and stayed so..I think coaching has been the biggest problem with our offensive line and hopefully this has been addressed..and let us not remember we had two starters injured most of the season last year and a rookie starting at RT...I don't get into PFF scores etc..but as great as KC and Mahommes ..I see Mahommes running for his life on almost every play

(04-02-2025, 11:16 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I would disagree, as they would not have benched him in favor of Cody Ford, nor would they have given Cody Ford a 2-year, $6 mill deal.
Volson is also in the last year of his rookie deal, so why bank on him at this point?

My expectation is Ford ends up starting at LG, and a draft pick competes with Patrick for RG.

it will be interesting..hopefully a new voice coaching these players will help

You don't even really have to fix the guards, but it is advisable to do so. The biggest reason for Cincinnati's playoff appearance wasn't the offensive line. It was the defense. If Cincinnati's defense was a league average squad, the Bengals finish with 11 wins and a WC berth.

That being said, I would like to see the interior offensive line improved for the sake of Joe's health. 

(04-02-2025, 11:17 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: it will be interesting..hopefully a new voice coaching these players will help

Maybe, although the trends in both of the starting Guards from last year is potentially telling.

Neither Cappa nor Volson came from FBS.
Cappa from Div2 at Humboldt St, Volson from FCS at NDSU.
Both were entering the draft at OT before pivoting to Guard for NFL because of limitations.
Both were better run defenders than pass protectors coming out of college.
Both had poor athletic scores entering the draft (Cappa - 4.08 if comparing to OGs, Volson - 6.06 compared to OGs).

So, to me, it's no surprise they weren't as effective with the Bengals.
Cappa, to his credit, looked better with TB because of the guys he had around him and the scheme they were running that helped mask his weaknesses.

IMO, this new OL coach isn't going to turn water into wine.
I'm hoping though he can help identify talent that better fits the scheme and more emphasis on pass blocking.

(04-02-2025, 11:16 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I would disagree, as they would not have benched him in favor of Cody Ford, nor would they have given Cody Ford a 2-year, $6 mill deal.
Volson is also in the last year of his rookie deal, so why bank on him at this point?

My expectation is Ford ends up starting at LG, and a draft pick competes with Patrick for RG.

I think Volson's days may be numbered. But what does the team gain if they cut him now? They can let the new OL coach work with him in TC and if he does not progress cut him after preseason and save the same amount of money.

I think Patrick and Ford and an outside shot of Volson is our week 1 starter and the other OG is either Booker, Jackson or the kid from WV. I think we take our starting OG no later than pick 49 inn round 2.

(04-02-2025, 12:18 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think Volson's days may be numbered. But what does the team gain if they cut him now? They can let the new OL coach work with him in TC and if he does not progress cut him after preseason and save the same amount of money.

I think Patrick and Ford and an outside shot of Volson is our week 1 starter and the other OG is either Booker, Jackson or the kid from WV. I think we take our starting OG no later than pick 49 inn round 2.

At this point? Really nothing other than some cap space (nearly $3.5 mill), but they arguably have plenty to sign another upgrade or even two, so it's not needed to cut him now.

I agree with you on the last statement. I can definitely see Guard at 17 unless there's a clear cut BPA defensive player there and they decide to just grab one at 49.
Waiting until Rd 3 opens up the likelihood the guy may not be able to supplant the incumbents this year.

(04-02-2025, 12:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: At this point? Really nothing other than some cap space (nearly $3.5 mill), but they arguably have plenty to sign another upgrade or even two, so it's not needed to cut him now.

I agree with you on the last statement. I can definitely see Guard at 17 unless there's a clear cut BPA defensive player there and they decide to just grab one at 49.
Waiting until Rd 3 opens up the likelihood the guy may not be able to supplant the incumbents this year.

Idc how bad things get i don’t think we’d take a guard at 17

IMO we’re going defense no matter what but round 2 for sure

Also a lot of tackles who will probably be shifted to guard too so i could see us finding 2 guards in rounds 2-4 but as i said before i have a sneaky suspicion that we are perfectly fine with Volson


Personally i want RB in round 3 because i think Henderson or Judkins will be available but that’s me

(04-02-2025, 02:02 PM)Housh Wrote: Idc how bad things get i don’t think we’d take a guard at 17

IMO we’re going defense no matter what but round 2 for sure

Also a lot of tackles who will probably be shifted to guard too so i could see us finding 2 guards in rounds 2-4 but as i said before i have a sneaky suspicion that we are perfectly fine with Volson


Personally i want RB in round 3 because i think Henderson or Judkins will be available but that’s me

What's the personal interest in a RB so early?
Are you thinking or wanting the Bengals to morph more into a Detroit Lions style offense?

Personally, I'd rather get defense and OL and further emphasize passing and rushing the passer.
I also thought Chase Brown did admirably at RB1 and will be a 1300+ total yards RB for the team if given the reins the whole year.
To me, you don't invest so much into receivers and then try to shift more to a balanced offense.

(04-02-2025, 02:02 PM)Housh Wrote: Idc how bad things get i don’t think we’d take a guard at 17

IMO we’re going defense no matter what but round 2 for sure

Also a lot of tackles who will probably be shifted to guard too so i could see us finding 2 guards in rounds 2-4 but as i said before i have a sneaky suspicion that we are perfectly fine with Volson


Personally i want RB in round 3 because i think Henderson or Judkins will be available but that’s me

They will take a guard at 17.

(04-02-2025, 10:25 AM)Housh Wrote: I’ll obviously take 2 guards but the issue was both Volson and Cappa were boo boo. Teams could run stunts and get pass rush wins from both spots


If you get 1 good guard and sure up one side we can scheme to help the weaker guard and the line will be amazing



I am still not convinced the Bengals see Volson as a problem and i bet they think Peter’s can work with him and get him on track.

What are defenses gonna do? Run every blitz at our weaker guard? You do ANYTHING too many times in a game and it’ll become less effective. I could see a ton of 13 personnel where Perine is the back and Sample is the TE and we’re having both pass protect.

You clearly haven't watched Zac Taylor call plays, eh? 

They can't (won't) scheme s**t to help the OL.

In all seriousness though, I'd love to get one guard, but I still won't feel great with one of Volson, Ford, or Patrick starting at the other spot.
Bengals really should have gone a different route in FA, IMO.

(04-02-2025, 02:12 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What's the personal interest in a RB so early?
Are you thinking or wanting the Bengals to morph more into a Detroit Lions style offense?

Personally, I'd rather get defense and OL and further emphasize passing and rushing the passer.
I also thought Chase Brown did admirably at RB1 and will be a 1300+ total yards RB for the team if given the reins the whole year.
To me, you don't invest so much into receivers and then try to shift more to a balanced offense.

The problem with that is that they're just an extended injury to Chase or Higgins away from being a very predictable and easy offensive attack to defend. If they know what's good for them, they should by all means strive to balance that attack a bit.

(04-02-2025, 02:27 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The problem with that is that they're just an extended injury to Chase or Higgins away from being a very predictable and easy offensive attack to defend. If they know what's good for them, they should by all means strive to balance that attack a bit.

While I don't disagree, I wouldn't have kept Higgins if I was going toward a more balanced attack.
Also, you can get a more balanced attack by instead improving the OL rather than drafting a mid-round RB to act as RB2/RB3.

(04-02-2025, 02:31 PM)ochocincos Wrote: While I don't disagree, I wouldn't have kept Higgins if I was going toward a more balanced attack.
Also, you can get a more balanced attack by instead improving the OL rather than drafting a mid-round RB to act as RB2/RB3.

They're paper thin at RB, as well. This team is just a couple of injuries away from total devastation.

(04-02-2025, 02:35 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: They're paper thin at RB, as well. This team is just a couple of injuries away from total devastation.

I get it, but 1) there are plenty of FAs still available who can be picked up midseason for cheap, and 2) I'm not prioritizing backup RB over trying to improve the trenches or safety.

SAF is even thinner than RB.

Yeah, F the OL! Burrow for CPoY #3 in 2026! If he dies, he dies!

(04-02-2025, 10:25 AM)Housh Wrote: I’ll obviously take 2 guards but the issue was both Volson and Cappa were boo boo. Teams could run stunts and get pass rush wins from both spots


If you get 1 good guard and sure up one side we can scheme to help the weaker guard and the line will be amazing



I am still not convinced the Bengals see Volson as a problem and i bet they think Peter’s can work with him and get him on track.

What are defenses gonna do? Run every blitz at our weaker guard? You do ANYTHING too many times in a game and it’ll become less effective. I could see a ton of 13 personnel where Perine is the back and Sample is the TE and we’re having both pass protect.

I respect you for being a realist on how management probably thinks as opposed to us shouting that anything short of Scherff and a top 2 round rookie is a failure.  One solid guard will indeed go a long way, but you never plan for weak guard play.  At least they'll have a path to something better than Volson with Ford or Patrick competing even if it's a slight upgrade.  

The probability of landing a guard high looks better with college tackle prospects looking better at guard and a trade down for an 3rd.  There are a lot of DL prospects and they can use help anywhere there not only at pass rushing edge.  I could see them landing best DL in a trade down ( just too many there) and worst case a guard in the 3rd if they go true bpa for say a safety in the 2nd.  I still don't like banking on a rookie to be ready, so they'll need to check in on Scherff and any solid post draft release.  They can also trade a late round pick for someone that a team replaced in the draft.  They just can't assume that Patrick, a rookie and your 3rd tackle that looked meh fixing the guard play.  

I also want to point out that the mission to rebuild the line after the SB run has been a disaster. We're so grateful for any improvement that you end up with posts just hoping we at least do better at one spot because that's am improvement over the product we have (either due to coaching or management or both.

We have no long term gems. Mims is a promising pass blocker that today shows flashes but if time traveler said he will be a 20th best tackle annually we would be thrilled. We also have a talented RT that's playing like a league average LT. Our center is respected but getting older, but all 3 look like studs when comparing to the guard room. We need to capitalize with a trade down and get a Savaiinaea or Jackson type in the 2nd and a Ratledge type in the 3rd.