We’ve learned nothing and Stewart will be right there with Jackson Carmen and Myles Murphy.

Steelers took Harmon. Cowboys took Banks. Falcons took two great edge rushers, and Philly got Campbell.

I hate it here.

Didn’t take long for me to get on board. Best thing I’ve heard so far is that he had the fastest time to first pressure in FBS.. hmm that sounds nice.  

I was afraid of the lack of college sack production but it’s been proven to not be the end of the world with Danielle Hunter and Odafe Oweh. We swung for the fences and took a home run swing. I’m cool with that.

"Taylor pointed to how often he saw Stewart around the quarterback and the analytics bear him out. Pro Football Focus had his time to first pressure at 2.43 seconds, best among all FBS players."


"NBC Sports' Chris Simms says Stewart is "one of the safest picks in the draft."

"You're not going to have to worry about him being physically overmatched," Simms said. "The ceiling has a chance to be one of the greatest players in the history of football. That's the talent and physical makeup the guy has.""

https://www.bengals.com/video/zac-taylor-press-conference-april-21-2025



I like Kay

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZMCy-OmiDE



https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33201479/texas-aggies-add-5-star-de-shemar-stewart-no-1-recruiting-class
He was the #1 DE recruit in the nation in 22. True junior. He will turn 26 in the 5th year of his rookie contract. 

I don't like the pick either but lets slow down on worst pick ever.

(Today, 02:36 AM)J24 Wrote: I don't like the pick either but lets slow down on worst pick ever.

Yes... Our pick at 49 could be even worse.

Pump the damn brakes, sheesh. Is it a sexy pick? No, but how can you say it’s the worse pick ever the kid hasn’t even put on a uniform yet. How many no brainer #1 and 2 picks have been complete busts? And how many guys who got picked in other rounds end up having pro bowl and HOF careers? You can’t say his this is going to go.

Someone should do a scooby doo meme and have Fred pull shemar’s head off and it’s Myles Murphy lol

(Today, 02:04 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: "NBC Sports' Chris Simms says Stewart is "one of the safest picks in the draft."

Not sure I am comfortable with "safe" picks. I mean Myles Murphy and Dax Hill seemed like safe picks too. Now we have Murphy heading into his 3rd season and still struggling to establish himself and Hill has been shuffled around to more positions than a utility infielder on a AAA squad. 

(7 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: Not sure I am comfortable with "safe" picks. I mean Myles Murphy and Dax Hill seemed like safe picks too. Now we have Murphy heading into his 3rd season and still struggling to establish himself and Hill has been shuffled around to more positions than a utility infielder on a AAA squad. 

Murphy & Hill both had the same best attribute Stewart does : Athleticism.  How has that worked out? AWFUL.

Bengals are slow learners. Hell, I feel like they've actually just dropped out of school and are living off an inheritance at this point. 

(Today, 02:03 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: We’ve learned nothing and Stewart will be right there with Jackson Carmen and Myles Murphy.

Steelers took Harmon. Cowboys took Banks. Falcons took two great edge rushers, and Philly got Campbell.

I hate it here.

There's a remedy for that.....

Personally I don't think I like the pick. 4.5 sacks in his college career? He has the attitude of someone with 57. But, evidently he has tremendous traits, and is quick to the QB, so hopefully our coaches can teach him to finish. That said, we need to do something to keep Trey happy.

(Today, 02:04 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Didn’t take long for me to get on board. Best thing I’ve heard so far is that he had the fastest time to first pressure in FBS.. hmm that sounds nice.  

I was afraid of the lack of college sack production but it’s been proven to not be the end of the world with Danielle Hunter and Odafe Oweh. We swung for the fences and took a home run swing. I’m cool with that.

"Taylor pointed to how often he saw Stewart around the quarterback and the analytics bear him out. Pro Football Focus had his time to first pressure at 2.43 seconds, best among all FBS players."


"NBC Sports' Chris Simms says Stewart is "one of the safest picks in the draft."

"You're not going to have to worry about him being physically overmatched," Simms said. "The ceiling has a chance to be one of the greatest players in the history of football. That's the talent and physical makeup the guy has.""

https://www.bengals.com/video/zac-taylor-press-conference-april-21-2025



I like Kay

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JZMCy-OmiDE



https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33201479/texas-aggies-add-5-star-de-shemar-stewart-no-1-recruiting-class
He was the #1 DE recruit in the nation in 22. True junior. He will turn 26 in the 5th year of his rookie contract. 

I wish people would stop saying look at Danielle Hunter.
Hunter was a 3rd round pick, not 17th overall.
That's more acceptable to take a gamble on someone who produced little in college.

And then Oweh mentioned?
Oweh had more sacks in 2019 (5.0) than Stewart had his whole college career (4.5, 1.5 each year).
Oweh also went 31st overall, not 17th overall.
And don't forget Oweh took until his 4TH YEAR before he eclipsed 5.0 sacks in the NFL.

Stewart's own teammate last year on the same DL (Scourton) had 5.0 sacks.

Stewart may get going in the NFL, and I hope he does.
Ultimately, this is on coaching now.
And how long will it take to actually get him productive?
And when I personally say productive, I mean 7+ sacks. That's my personal expectation for a 1st round DE.

I won't go as far to say worst draft in the Burrow era because we haven't seen him yet in a Bengal uniform, and he may eventually become a good player.
I just really don't want to see a 1st round pick as a rotational player for 2+ years again.
Bengals need dudes to help them win now while Burrow, Chase, and Higgins are in their prime.

(7 hours ago)PDub80 Wrote:
Murphy & Hill both had the same best attribute Stewart does : Athleticism.  How has that worked out? AWFUL.

Bengals are slow learners. Hell, I feel like they've actually just dropped out of school and are living off an inheritance at this point. 

I'd hate for them to start drafting guys who were NOT athletic

(6 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: I'd hate for them to start drafting guys who were NOT athletic

Valid.
Had Booker made it to 17 and Bengals selected him, some would have been frustrated for that too because he lacks athleticism.
And some other guys who were more productive and still athletic had some character concerns.

Curious to know what people think would have been the "best" pick with the players still left on the board?
And trade back clearly not an option.

I probably would have gone Malaki Starks or Nick Emmanwori personally, as I felt like at this point all the available DEs had some flaw, Nolen was about the only DT I cared for at 17 and went right before, and Banks didn't make it to 17 either.

(7 hours ago)PDub80 Wrote: Murphy & Hill both had the same best attribute Stewart does : Athleticism.  How has that worked out? AWFUL.

Bengals are slow learners. Hell, I feel like they've actually just dropped out of school and are living off an inheritance at this point. 

There was a draft pick called Ja'Marr Chase that had athleticism, too.  Wonder how he worked out?

Hill played well and was our best CB last year before he got hurt.  

I mean, seriously, I can understand not being a fan of the pick, but at the same time, I don't understand how you can complain about drafting athletic guys.

Was not a fan of the pick but mainly because I thought there were polished players on the board who may be more productive THIS year. That said, and anyone who ever sees me speak will know I say this a lot, pressures are more indicative to winning your rep than sacks are. Sacks are a function of a lot of things but if we are asking can he beat his guy across from him the answer is yes. Let's say he still can't finish this year, if he can create a ton of pressure to force QB's to step up we may see increased sack production from our interior defenders.

We want the negative plays, but he can play a role in generating those even if he isn't the one getting the stat for it. I do think some of it is because he almost plays too fast and reckless at times and overruns QB's. He will have to be more under control but he has the physical tools to play in the league. People talking about his athleticism should keep in mind he isn't just AN athlete, he is one of the premier athletes ever tested for his size. Murphy was athletic but not really in the same realm as this guy so him being able to out athlete people is more of a reality I think.

If we come away with a safety and guard today I don't think I can complain too much overall.

(6 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: There was a draft pick called Ja'Marr Chase that had athleticism, too.  Wonder how he worked out?

Hill played well and was our best CB last year before he got hurt.  

I mean, seriously, I can understand not being a fan of the pick, but at the same time, I don't understand how you can complain about drafting athletic guys.

Jamar had athelthicism AND production.

This comparison is as bad as the pick itself. 

Look I think Stewart was a terrible pick; project players of this type can be had on Day 3 usually. you could see what happened (as usual) - we wanted Nolen and it was too obvious. He got taken right before us. We panicked and instead of doing the smart thing (grabbing a G/T right then while several good ones were there) reached on a project pick.

Now we're locked into G/T in Round 2 and because we need an immediate starter our choice is again obvious and again we're reduced to hoping they aren't taken before we pick. For a team that relies on the draft our war room seems poorly prepared and unable to react quickly to circumstances.

It isn't the end of the world but it is galling. All they had to do was go up there with Zabel's name on the card and they would be in a good position today.

(6 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: There was a draft pick called Ja'Marr Chase that had athleticism, too.  Wonder how he worked out?

Hill played well and was our best CB last year before he got hurt.  

I mean, seriously, I can understand not being a fan of the pick, but at the same time, I don't understand how you can complain about drafting athletic guys.

Are you purposefully being dense?

Chase had college production.

Stewart does not.

Hill was the worst Safety on a bad defense and the best CB on an even worse defense. THAT'S your rebuttal?

My complaint isn't that the guy is a great athlete. It's that it's his #1 attribute without production.

(6 hours ago)Joelist Wrote: Look I think Stewart was a terrible pick; project players of this type can be had on Day 3 usually. you could see what happened (as usual) - we wanted Nolen and it was too obvious. He got taken right before us. We panicked and instead of doing the smart thing (grabbing a G/T right then while several good ones were there) reached on a project pick.

Now we're locked into G/T in Round 2 and because we need an immediate starter our choice is again obvious and again we're reduced to hoping they aren't taken before we pick.  For a team that relies on the draft our war room seems poorly prepared and unable to react quickly to circumstances.

It isn't the end of the world but it is galling. All they had to do was go up there with Zabel's name on the card and they would be in a good position today.

Guards and Tackles were mostly projected to be 2nd rounders this draft. 

(Today, 02:03 AM)NotBigzo Wrote: We’ve learned nothing and Stewart will be right there with Jackson Carmen and Myles Murphy.

Steelers took Harmon. Cowboys took Banks. Falcons took two great edge rushers, and Philly got Campbell.

I hate it here.

yes ..all the Bengals coaches and staff ..after all the scouring ..interviews .talking with coaches..purposefully chose a bad player..Ridiculous....the dude has a non stop motor..is physically impressive..is a great run defender..puts tremendous pressure on the quarterback most of the time..has unlimited potential..he was rated I go between 10-32....in the draft..He has not played a single down in the NFL and to trash him is absurd....Murphy was playing was much better at the end of last year..Jackson Carmen..well you don't take linemen that have had serious issues with their backs and surgeryu