Micah Parsons was asked about us drafting Shemar Stewart in the first round and mentions how he's violent and may not finish, but he plays 110 miles per hour and is get-off is amazing. He says that he plays so fast and the lack of college stats doesn't bother him because he only had 6.5 sacks in college.





Parsons also says that he can move inside at some point in his career.

Parsons does mention how he doesn't always finish, but that's what I've been saying about that doesn't bother me and his highlights only confirm that because, if you watch, the quarterbacks either had to release the ball quickly (which can lead to interceptions) or got flushed from he pocket.

He's still maturing (I think he's only 21) so his game will only evolve and give us a hell of a pick.

Here are some of his highlights where you can see the quarterback scrambling or getting rid of the ball quickly, which is just as good as a sack a lot of the time.

It should also be noted that Parson's, one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, is speaking so highly of Stewart!

(05-03-2025, 03:53 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Micah Parsons was asked about us drafting Shemar Stewart in the first round and mentions how he's violent and may not finish, but he plays 110 miles per hour and is get-off is amazing. He says that he plays so fast and the lack of college stats doesn't bother him because he only had 6.5 sacks in college.





Parsons also says that he can move inside at some point in his career.

Parsons does mention how he doesn't always finish, but that's what I've been saying about that doesn't bother me and his highlights only confirm that because, if you watch, the quarterbacks either had to release the ball quickly (which can lead to interceptions) or got flushed from he pocket.

He's still maturing (I think he's only 21) so his game will only evolve and give us a hell of a pick.

Here are some of his highlights where you can see the quarterback scrambling or getting rid of the ball quickly, which is just as good as a sack a lot of the time.

Fans like to speculate and play what if so nowmy turn. What if he was the top choice on the Steeler's and the Raven's board and they adjusted as a result?

I saw him double teamed a lot. Also, he played DT and all along DL. He also lined out on the edge and wider on the edge (like Eagles love to do). I saw a ton of quickness and speed. I do think he needs to do a much better job of squaring and wrapping up.

Overall, I am glad he is not in a Raven, Browns or Steeler uniform.

He is as talented as anyone so the coaches need to just help him with some of the basics. I do love that he fires out fast and plays hard.
Looks like that quickness off the line should be able to draw a lot of holding penalties on tackles trying to grab him as he goes by.

(05-03-2025, 04:59 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I saw him double teamed a lot. Also, he played DT and all along DL. He also lined out on the edge and wider on the edge (like Eagles love to do). I saw a ton of quickness and speed. I do think he needs to do a much better job of squaring and wrapping up.

Overall, I am glad he is not in a Raven, Browns or Steeler uniform.

I saw a guy that has a lot of work to do. He is quick off the ball, but after that he is lost. 

Words.

None of it matters until he gets on the field and starts actually producing. 

(05-03-2025, 08:56 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Words.

None of it matters until he gets on the field and starts actually producing. 

I agree

Same as our words, they are useless.

(05-03-2025, 09:38 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree

Same as our words, they are useless.

Well...SS is a football player that hasn't played a down in the NFL but we keep reading about how great he's going to be from different people. This message board has people that post regularly, so you can judge how good or bad they are at expressing themselves in different ways, so that's not an apt comparison. 

You are 100% right though. Being able to see posters 'production' has shown that there are some whose ideas and views are "useless". 

(05-03-2025, 03:53 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Micah Parsons was asked about us drafting Shemar Stewart in the first round and mentions how he's violent and may not finish, but he plays 110 miles per hour and is get-off is amazing. He says that he plays so fast and the lack of college stats doesn't bother him because he only had 6.5 sacks in college.

Except Parsons accumulated 6.5 sacks in 2 seasons - 26 games.
Stewart was 4.5 sacks in 3 seasons - 37 games.
Parsons' final season in college had 5.0 sacks, which I'm sure helped in his eval. They saw the jump from 1.5 to 5.0.

Stewart is more of a project than Parsons, but Parsons also gets used properly in the NFL, playing from LB position.

Stewart get after the QB. No one is doubting that.
The concern is getting pressure and finishing with a sack are two different things.
You expect that a 1st round DE taken in the Top 20 should get plenty of sacks year after year.
You aren't necessarily taking a guy in Rd 1 just to get close but no cigar when it comes to rushing the passer.

I'd like to hope Montgomery can help refine Stewart to make him an animal, but I have a feeling he'll end up more like Jadeveon Clowney, who averaged 7 sacks a season.
It made sense though why Clowney went so early that draft because he did have college production - 24 sacks in 3 seasons (36 games).

If Stewart does end up having ~7 sacks a season in his career, will people consider that too early to have taken the guy?
I'd argue Bengals have gotten that type of production out of plenty of Day 2 DEs including Dunlap and Hubbard.
They didn't have (quite) the athletic ceiling of Stewart though, but when it comes down to it, Pro Bowls, All Pros, and HOF are much more determined by production than traits.

I watched Goodberrys analysis on him and I wasnt super impressed by the tape.

Between that and him not testing agility at the combine, I have tempered my expectations.

The good news is that he's going to give more production on the left side than anyone gave us last year...because we got absolutely nothing.

(05-05-2025, 10:42 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I watched Goodberrys analysis on him and I wasnt super impressed by the tape.

Between that and him not testing agility at the combine, I have tempered my expectations.

The good news is that he's going to give more production on the left side than anyone gave us last year...because we got absolutely nothing.

Ossai got some great push from the Dallas game on; nothing earth-shattering, but significantly more than what Hubbard provided in the previous 12 games.

(05-05-2025, 11:25 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Ossai got some great push from the Dallas game on; nothing earth-shattering, but significantly more than what Hubbard provided in the previous 12 games.

If there's anyone to be optimistic about with actual production to back it up, it's Ossai.
Ossai put up 5 sacks when only starting 3 games (576 defensive snaps - 51%).
He really came on starting in mid-Nov.


I'd love to see Ossai get 7+ sacks and the collective of Ossai/Murphy/Stewart get 12+.

(05-05-2025, 11:47 AM)ochocincos Wrote: If there's anyone to be optimistic about with actual production to back it up, it's Ossai.
Ossai put up 5 sacks when only starting 3 games (576 defensive snaps - 51%).
He really came on starting in mid-Nov.


I'd love to see Ossai get 7+ sacks and the collective of Ossai/Murphy/Stewart get 12+.

Man...that's a sadly low bar for that group. 

I'm gonna up the ante on you. I say shoot for at least 15+.

(05-05-2025, 12:07 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Man...that's a sadly low bar for that group. 

I'm gonna up the ante on you. I say shoot for at least 15+.

That tells you what I think of this group and what I think is realistic for them.

15+ may happen, but if so, I think it would break down to:
Best of that group - 7+
2nd best of that group - 5+
3rd in that group - 3+

I am not sure if that happens if they split the same spot between all 3 of them.
One may help spell Hendrickson though, so the 12+ between them may be higher, but I was specifically referring to the LDE spot.

Shemar just needs to be coached up, he has all the talent in the world. Best size, first step, speed, strength combination of any of our Ends.

I also think Ossai could have a big year in Golden's Defense. Also think Murphy will eventually show his talent, we will see.

Trey the NFL sack leader will be back and I expect big strides for Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson in their second year.

Montgomery has some good stuff to work with on the DL.

(05-05-2025, 01:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Shemar just needs to be coached up, he has all the talent in the world. Best size, first step, speed, strength combination of any of our Ends.

I also think Ossai could have a big year in Golden's Defense. Also think Murphy will eventually show his talent, we will see.

Trey the NFL sack leader will be back and I expect big strides for Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson in their second year.

Montgomery has some good stuff to work with on the DL.

I've said all along that Shemar just needs a bit of coaching in finishing his pass rush plays with sacks and he'll be a hell of a pro, and the coaches obviously agree, and they obviously know more about his potential and abilities than we do.


They obviously did all of their homework in the offseason and scouted him, so they know a lot more than any of us keyboard warriors.

If they think that they can get him to his potential, then I believe in them and I'm excited about the pick.

Ossai sounds confident in his abilities and the way that the coaches will use him:

Quote:https://www.cincyjungle.com/2025/3/24/24387268/cincinnati-bengals-al-golden-joseph-ossai

I've also been following Murphy and he sounds confident and rightfully so because it sounds like he's in the best shape of his life and, will not only play well this season, he'll dominate:

Quote:"I know I've got everything that it takes to dominate in the league," Murphy told Hobson. "It's just building up the confidence to know I can make those plays that are ahead of me … [Working on] Being great at stuff that doesn't take talent or athleticism."

I'm excited for our pass rush this season!

(05-05-2025, 01:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I've said all along that Shemar just needs a bit of coaching in finishing his pass rush plays with sacks and he'll be a hell of a pro, and the coaches obviously agree, and they obviously know more about his potential and abilities than we do.


They obviously did all of their homework in the offseason and scouted him, so they know a lot more than any of us keyboard warriors.

If they think that they can get him to his potential, then I believe in them and I'm excited about the pick.

Ossai sounds confident in his abilities and the way that the coaches will use him:


I've also been following Murphy and he sounds confident and rightfully so because it sounds like he's in the best shape of his life and, will not only play well this season, he'll dominate:

I'm excited for our pass rush this season!

For anyone who has coached football before, is this something easily coached?
I feel like if it was, we'd see (a lot) more guys with higher production than we do.

(05-05-2025, 01:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: For anyone who has coached football before, is this something easily coached?
I feel like if it was, we'd see (a lot) more guys with higher production than we do.

I don't know if it's easily coached, but I feel like our coaches will be able to coach it. They should be mainly focusing on that early on in the offseason and then still coaching it while they're coaching up everything else.

As far as the second part, I disagree because you might be able to coach that, but you can't coach a player to have the natural ability that Shemar has.

I go back to the word "violent" Parsons used. If so (I know just a word from a fellow NFL star), he may be very fun to watch.

I have high hopes he develops in the 2 or 3 years to a much better version than Hubbard was at his peak. I also think he will do a nice job containing the edge and be a very good run defender. We need a front 7 with the ability to shut down running games of opposition. That will impact T.O.P. and help Burrow and offense get more snaps.

(05-05-2025, 01:55 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I don't know if it's easily coached, but I feel like our coaches will be able to coach it. They should be mainly focusing on that early on in the offseason and then still coaching it while they're coaching up everything else.

As far as the second part, I disagree because you might be able to coach that, but you can't coach a player to have the natural ability that Shemar has.

What specifically about the current coaches gives you this feeling?
The previous coaches were not able to do it.

Notre Dame last year as a team had 40 sacks, which was tied for 14th in FBS. However, they had 16 games to get there.
Boise St led the NCAA with 55 sacks, Ohio St had 53.
So that's the gauge for Golden.

Who has Montgomery coached up that's been a stud pass rusher?
The Pats last year didn't have a single guy on the team with >5.0 sacks.
I hear people talk up how Montgomery coached up Rashan Gary, who some may remember was also still had untapped potential, wasn't the most productive in college (but more than Stewart).
Gary hasn't hit double-digit sacks any year in the 6 years he's been in NFL.
While hasn't been a "bust," he hasn't been a sack leader either.
He's been about Clowney-level when it comes to sack production.
Preston Smith was the other common leader in sacks for GB during Montgomery's tenure, but he was already coming from WAS and had multiple years of 8 sacks, so I don't know how much "development" he still needed.