(07-03-2025, 11:10 AM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Reading this espn article (I know) and I don’t mind him saying Sanders is the best #3 pick of all time but this made me think…

“I gave the edge to Sanders for his stylistic impact on the game and his lasting impact on Detroit football; he is still the best Lion in history, whereas neither Munoz nor Thomas is the best Bengal or Brown, respectively. But this was close.”

He was talking about Munoz and Joe Thomas.
Jim Brown is the best Cleveland Brown of all time but…

Who does he think is the best Bengal of all time?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45597769/picking-best-nfl-draft-picks-ever-every-slot-common-era-1967-2024

Joe Thomas isn't even the **2nd** best LT of the past 30 years in our division. Ogden and Whitworth were better, but Thomas went to Wisconsin and was drafted 3rd, so he's, "better," by default in idiots' eyes.

Munoz. He is also pure class as an individual.

Munoz has the second-most first team All Pros in NFL history.

It's him. The writer is a doofus.

(07-06-2025, 12:13 AM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: Munoz has the second-most first team All Pros in NFL history.

It's him. The writer is a doofus.

Never heard that particular stat. Who has the most - I’m guessing Jerry Rice?

(07-06-2025, 01:20 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Never heard that particular stat. Who has the most - I’m guessing Jerry Rice?

You are correct and he is tied with Jim Otto (not who I expected) - both selected 10 times

Munoz is second with 9 and is tied with another person I wouldn’t have guessed - Ron Mix!

(07-03-2025, 10:21 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Joe Thomas isn't even the **2nd** best LT of the past 30 years in our division. Ogden and Whitworth were better, but Thomas went to Wisconsin and was drafted 3rd, so he's, "better," by default in idiots' eyes.

Thomas was better than Whtworth, which is not a negative on Whit, he will make the HOF down the road.  Thomas and Ogden are splitting hairs on who was better.  Thomas had 10 pro bowls, 6 all pros  in 11 seasons Ogden had 11 pro bowls and 6 all pros in 12 seasons. I would give the edge to Ogden though but Thomas was the iron man of all iron men for Oline

(07-06-2025, 11:08 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Thomas was better than Whtworth, which is not a negative on Whit, he will make the HOF down the road.  Thomas and Ogden are splitting hairs on who was better.  Thomas had 10 pro bowls, 6 all pros  in 11 seasons Ogden had 11 pro bowls and 6 all pros in 12 seasons. I would give the edge to Ogden though but Thomas was the iron man of all iron men for Oline

Thomas was NOT better than Whitworth. Judging by popularity contest metrics and not actual stats, is invalid.

Whitworth had less sacks AND pressures given up than Thomas from 2010-2016, while Thomas never went an entire season giving up no sacks and/or only 8 pressures on over 1,000 snaps (which Whitworth did in 2014, his best year in the league by far).

Not to mention that Whitworth's run blocking was YsPC better than Thomas.

And these aren't grades either: I did extensive deep dives into this back on the mothership, when PFF was reliable in their grading and they were the first to come up with pressure numbers and YPC in the lanes. Thomas and Ryan Clady were the most-overrated Ts in the league, both completely undeserving of their accolades and were only boosted because they were drafted in the first round.

Thomas was an excellent pass blocker, but that's it and he wasn't even the best in the division.

EDIT** and you say Iron Man of all Iron Men? 

Whitworth: 239 games played out of a possible 256 in a career, good for 93.35% of possible games played, over 16 seasons.
Thomas: 167 games played out of a possible 176 in his career, good for 94.8% of possible games played, over 11 seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitAn20.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomJo28.htm

Give Thomas 5 more seasons, who knows if he's such an, "iron man," in comparison. You're talking as if he's some legendary, mythic god of the past.