(Yesterday, 11:43 AM)PDub80 Wrote: If by awesome you mean a divisive, contrarian tool, then sure.

If that's something you respect, fine. But, board traffic or not, Fred's fate was earned.

Yeah, the contrarian/trolling bit derailed many threads. I'm guessing he gave the mods way too much work to do on a daily basis.

(Yesterday, 11:43 AM)PDub80 Wrote: If by awesome you mean a divisive, contrarian tool, then sure.

If that's something you respect, fine. But, board traffic or not, Fred's fate was earned.

You mean like every poster in PnR? 

You should re-read this specifically if you don't think the majority of posters are the same. The difference is Fred posted like 30 times a day every day. My post count is like .8 a day that's how me and you can get away with being an asshole and Fred couldn't lol.

If the stumbling block is the guarantees that is a fixable problem. The Bengals have to get past their issues with guarantees or they won't be able to resign anyone. As Deuke said yesterday, contracts evolve and star players getting higher and longer guarantees is part of it

(Yesterday, 12:05 PM)pally Wrote: If the stumbling block is the guarantees that is a fixable problem.  The Bengals have to get past their issues with guarantees or they won't be able to resign anyone.  As Deuke said yesterday, contracts evolve and star players getting higher and longer guarantees is part of it

They broke the mold a little with Burrow, Chase, and Tee. With Trey I think the length of the deal is important is probabaky important in future guarantees. If it's a 3 year deal does he want Guaranteed money all 3 years and rhe Bengals are only offering thr first 2? My guess is they offered him a 3 year 105mil is comtract with a 25m signing bonus the only guaranteed money. 

(Yesterday, 12:05 PM)pally Wrote: If the stumbling block is the guarantees that is a fixable problem.  The Bengals have to get past their issues with guarantees or they won't be able to resign anyone.  As Deuke said yesterday, contracts evolve and star players getting higher and longer guarantees is part of it

I agree. My guess is the hang up is Trey in 2025 right now has no guarantee. So anything he gets that is guaranteed in 2025 or beyond is new guarantees.

My point is the dollar amount increase in guarantee may be dismissed by Trey and his agent, but is sticking point with the team.

Hopefully, they both compromise because I don't see either side caving for the other side at this point.

(Yesterday, 12:16 PM)Synric Wrote: They broke the mold a little with Burrow, Chase, and Tee. With Trey I think the length of the deal is important is probabaky important in future guarantees. If it's a 3 year deal does he want Guaranteed money all 3 years and rhe Bengals are only offering thr first 2? My guess is they offered him a 3 year 105mil is comtract with a 25m signing bonus the only guaranteed money. 

I think that they will guarantee the 16 million in 2025 (not guaranteed right now), give him a 20 to 25 million bonus all guaranteed.

Then the question becomes what is the guarantee in year 2 as likely no guarantee year 3. Year 3 will be roster bonuses and game played type incentives which are not guaranteed.

Man, if we Bengals fans don't go through something like this every year. There is an entire off-season to solve contract disputes with veterans, and since the draft to TC for rookies, and yet here we are yet again. Trey is in Florida. Shemar is in Texas. With no end in sight and the possibility the new DC will have to implement his system without the Bengals best DE and 1st round DE.

(Yesterday, 12:21 PM)Nepa Wrote: Man, if we Bengals fans don't go through something like this every year. There is an entire off-season to solve contract disputes with veterans, and since the draft to TC for rookies, and yet here we are yet again. Trey is in Florida. Shemar is in Texas. With no end in sight and the possibility the new DC will have to implement his system without the Bengals best DE and 1st round DE.

And still, plenty of fans carry water for this organization and the people who run it.

It’s beyond Stockholm Syndrome. Our captives not only sympathize, but they pay handsomely to do so. To me, this is the reason the Browns are the way they are.

FWIW Schefter said that the Bengals are only offering guaranteed $ in the first year which is stupid. If it takes 2-3 guaranteed $ years then just give him that and move on. Cap keeps going up and what is the worry? Dead $ if he sucks after a couple of years or gets hurt? That’s $ you have to “risk” to compete in the NFL these days.

They know he’s very likely to be at least a top 10 pass rusher for the next couple of years so pay it. Even if his play falls off dramatically you still more than likely get a couple of good years out of him and injuries can happen to anyone.
Trey is a very safe bet to play well for the next few years so just pay the guaranteed years and get him signed.

(07-20-2025, 08:43 PM)XsandOs Wrote: I always found Fred entertaining and his insults were hilarious. Also, the man had stats. I asked him on a couple of occasions to provide stats and he delivered.

Nate; the reason last month I asked you what happened to Fred was that I would like to have had his opinion on certain current board member(s). Specifically; when they play the comical "do you know who I am?" card.

He was entertaining to a point. I think he got banned because of a KKK post about our new white and black helmets.

I didn't find it offensive as I don't find anything really offensive, but Fred got banned and I guess never bothered to try and come back 
and I am one who is kind of happy about it. Fred would always take one sentence out of my posts and twist it and he would always high 
jack threads and turn them into the same argument over and over. It was annoying.

I see some on here want him back, I decline lol

(Yesterday, 12:37 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: FWIW Schefter said that the Bengals are only offering guaranteed $ in the first year which is stupid.  If it takes 2-3 guaranteed $ years then just give him that and move on. Cap keeps going up and what is the worry?  Dead $ if he sucks after a couple of years or gets hurt?  That’s $ you have to “risk” to compete in the NFL these days.

They know he’s very likely to be at least a top 10 pass rusher for the next couple of years so pay it.  Even if his play falls off dramatically you still more than likely get a couple of good years out of him and injuries can happen to anyone.  
Trey is a very safe bet to play well for the next few years so just pay the   guaranteed years and get him signed.

I agree Clark, pay the man for at least a couple years of guaranteed....

(Yesterday, 12:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: He was entertaining to a point. I think he got banned because of a KKK post about our new white and black helmets.

I didn't find it offensive as I don't find anything really offensive, but Fred got banned and I guess never bothered to try and come back 
and I am one who is kind of happy about it. Fred would always take one sentence out of my posts and twist it and he would always high 
jack threads and turn them into the same argument over and over. It was annoying.

I see some on here want him back, I decline lol

I fully believe Fred was back the next day, and still resides here under a different name.

I was listening to NFL radio the other day (Not one of the shows I normally listen to like "Moving the Chains," it was some weekend guys)
They said the Bengals position on what they want to pay and guarantee Trey has to do with the fact he got 4 of his sacks last year in two games, and 8.5 of his sacks in 4 games. So basically, he got his numbers in 6 games. (I may be off on the exact numbers, but that's kind of what I remember them saying)

(Yesterday, 01:16 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I fully believe Fred was back the next day, and still resides here under a different name.

No way Sled, we would be seeing every thread high jacked saying the exact same thing but loaded with stats the only good thing Fred brought 
to discussions. I don't see any names on here that remind me of this, you?

(Yesterday, 01:20 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I was listening to NFL radio the other day (Not one of the shows I normally listen to like "Moving the Chains," it was some weekend guys)
They said the Bengals position on what they want to pay and guarantee Trey has to do with the fact he got 4 of his sacks last year in two games, and 8.5 of his sacks in 4 games. So basically, he got his numbers in 6 games. (I may be off on the exact numbers, but that's kind of what I remember them saying)

I already posted those numbers and debunked that narrative, earlier in this thread. 

(Yesterday, 01:20 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: No way Sled, we would be seeing every thread high jacked saying the exact same thing but loaded with stats the only good thing Fred brought 
to discussions. I don't see any names on here that remind me of this, you?

I thought Fred also did a decent job of coming up with creative topics to talk about as threads. Maybe all contract talks have pushed all other topics to the side but it's been limited in that regard in my opinion.

(Yesterday, 01:26 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I already posted those numbers and debunked that narrative, earlier in this thread. 

Yes a quick search shows he had the least amount of sack less games of any other DE this past year. I think the negative of Hendrickson compared to others is his lack of explosive negative plays to the offense basically strip sacks or other turnovers caused. But im basing that off memory and that could be wholly incorrect. Also having no one on the team generating any kind of consistent pressure certainly doesnt help in that regard.

(07-21-2025, 06:12 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bengals were not first to go attak mode with Stewart, it was them so I thought his comments were very professional. He thinks the agent is a moron and Stewart is being duped by him. He did not attack Stewart.

To me, Tobin ppushed the agents buttons well and caused him to fore back an immature response.

Agent should have counted to 10 and then said nothing.

First I do want to say i think the agent is equally responsible in this breakdown. But im also not so sure Tobins comments didnt take a dig at Stewart. He said it wasn't his fault that he's paying for the advice hes getting. But then added that he Tobin isn't the one paying for that advice. So it's kind of a dig saying hes getting bad advice that hes paying for.
Like it or not an agent and player are a team. They are trying to get the best deal possible for the player an attack on the agent fair or not can be seen as an attack on the player. I just dont get the sense at times that the Bengals treat the situation as one big team working together. But that is an outside perspective.

(Yesterday, 01:38 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Yes a quick search shows he had the least amount of sack less games of any other DE this past year. I think the negative of Hendrickson compared to others is his lack of explosive negative plays to the offense basically strip sacks or other turnovers caused. But im basing that off memory and that could be wholly incorrect. Also having no one on the team generating any kind of consistent pressure certainly doesnt help in that regard.

Trey had 7 games last year where he didn't record a sack and he had 1 game with 0.5 sacks. All other games had at least 1 sack. In addition, Trey only had 3 games where he didn't register a single QB hit and 3 where he had only 1. All other games, he had at  least 2 or more. There were also only 6 games last year that Trey didn't record at least 1 tackle for loss. 

As for a comparison, let's take a look
Trey Hendrickson
46 tackles 17 sacks 19 TFL 36 QBHits

TJ Watt
61 tackles 11.5 sacks 19 TFL 27 QBHits

Myles Garrett
47 tackles 14 sacks 22 TFL 28 QBHits

Micah Parsons
43 tackles 12 sacks 12 TFL 23 QBHits

I don't know; I used to think Trey shouldn't get as much money as Garrett or Watt but after looking at the stats (for last year only), I'm wondering if maybe Trey shouldn't be paid the same as them. Granted, age is definitely a factor, but I was one who only thought of Trey as a sack man but now maybe he does more than we realize.