(02-01-2016, 12:11 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Like I said, I was referring to it not being a drug in Sherman's case because he doesn't need what it offers.

This literally is the dumbest thing I have seen in a long, long time.

Sherman would be effected by the drug just like everyone else.  He would become more energized and more focused.  Just because he is naturally energized and focused that does not somehow negate the effects of that drug.

I have had an epiphany after reading this thread.

Brad really is a genius.  He is playing 3-dimensional troll chess while the rest of use are drawing cards from the Candyland deck.

(02-01-2016, 12:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Wasn't expecting this thread to cause a meltdown.

Oh come on.....yes you were. :hooked:

(02-01-2016, 12:09 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: This literally is the dumbest thing I have seen in a long, long time.

Sherman would be effected by the drug just like everyone else.  He would become more energized and more focused.  Just because he is naturally energized and focused that does not somehow negate the effects of that drug.

It's also dumb because he legit argued that it was not a drug. Not that it didn't have drug like effects on him but that it was not a drug. He went on with this for days, not minutes.

But let's not dwell on that. I was honestly looking for legit trolls, not posters who don't know better.

BTW Brad, your "Adderall isn't even a drug" was quoted several times by several people, so to say that nobody even had time to quote it, would be a lie.

(02-01-2016, 12:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: But let's not dwell on that. I was honestly looking for legit trolls, not posters who don't know better.

If a Troll doesn't know he is Trolling is the Troll a Troll? If by the Trolls very nature they can't help but Troll, even though that is not their intent,  doesn't their own argumentative nature make them a Troll? These are the deep philosophical arguments this board was meant for!

How much troll,
Could a Troll troll,
If a Troll could troll a Troll. 

(02-01-2016, 01:47 PM)Au165 Wrote: If a Troll doesn't know he is Trolling is the Troll a Troll? If by the Trolls very nature they can't help but Troll, even though that is not their intent,  doesn't their own argumentative nature make them a Troll? These are the deep philosophical arguments this board was meant for!

(02-01-2016, 12:11 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Like I said, I was referring to it not being a drug in Sherman's case because he doesn't need what it offers.

Because just because he doesnt need it makes it no less a drug. its a controlled substance. the fact that you are saying he doesnt need it is you saying he is a PED user which is like the opposite of being a hell of a good guy...lol




as far as the thread goes im guessing the best trolls are the ones still here... The bad trolls get themselves banned,.

(02-01-2016, 01:47 PM)Au165 Wrote: If a Troll doesn't know he is Trolling is the Troll a Troll? If by the Trolls very nature they can't help but Troll, even though that is not their intent,  doesn't their own argumentative nature make them a Troll? These are the deep philosophical arguments this board was meant for!

Sure makes ya think...

Not sure if he was trolling, but that whole "skyline spaghetti tastes like glue" thing from Coltsfan was pretty hilarious. And sad.

I'm not sure why, but the Bengals boards have always drawn some trolls who go way beyond making it a hobby. Thousands of posts, multiple accounts, guys faking deaths, destroying the boards, etc. Sociopathic level stuff.

(02-01-2016, 12:09 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: This literally is the dumbest thing I have seen in a long, long time.

Sherman would be effected by the drug just like everyone else.  He would become more energized and more focused.  Just because he is naturally energized and focused that does not somehow negate the effects of that drug.

Stop it. You're not following along.

It would be like if i took one of your Viagra pills to get a raging boner to poke your wife.

I don't need Viagra to get a raging boner to poke your wife so it's not really a drug. 

P.S. If you're going to be mad, be mad at your wife for wasting one of your Viagras. I'm the innocent one here. 

Hey, Brad. I wanted to kind of "get your back" here, so to speak. I'm going to totally wing this, so I hope it's cool with you. And I hope some of you guys find it worth reading or discussing. (I know I write way too much, and ramble, and presume this will be no different as I beginning it.)

So, I was just reading through the "Best Troll Thread" and, if we're being totally honest, I became kind of upset. This is in regard to how some of you treat our boy Brad. And it's not the first time either. IMO it's a trend. And what is this "trend" or what has upset me so? I think it's rather clear that there is group mentality to pile on Brad. I don't want to go so far as say its intentional or that there is an agenda. But I do think there is something that resembles a mob mentality or that it's "en vogue" to give Brad shit. And I think it's unfair. I'm pretty sure it bothers Brad, and it definitely bothers me. So this is why you're all about to get a wall of words.

First thing first: The idea Brad is a troll is stupid. No one can possible believe that. A troll requires intent. An intentional attempt to upset others or to cause conflict. A troll's only objective is to get a reaction. Does that seem to describe Brad? It sure doesn't to me. So maybe you disagree with him. Maybe you disagree with a lot. And I'm sure Brad himself would tell you he welcomes debate or the idea that he be called a dumbass when he makes a dumbass comment. But when people start question other's motives for posting it seems incredibly dismissive. It's been done me and it make it seem like the time you take to explain your stance is worthless, and it's been prematurely disregarded. So lets just all agree, right now, that nothing Brad does or says resembles anything troll like. Cool?

Ok, now here's where I'm going to ramble a bit. I'm sure Brad doesn't want special treatment. And I really want to try to do my best to write this in a way that doesn't call for it, but also simultaneously points out that he kind deserves it. At least from a respect standpoint. And not so much because of his injury, but because of his story as a whole. I really do think all us could benefit from taking a long look at it, respecting it, and still all the while ribbing Brad for being a goof when he's being a goof.

When all know Brad's story, right? I think I know most of it. I just want to share a few things with what I've personally taken away from it, and others like it. I'm even going to bold this part, because I think it's that important:

I don't think because someone has a severe injury, or a disability, or a roadblock, or a trial, or whatever, that they magically become a motivation for others. I don't think because Brad was in an accident he woke up with a newfound ability or desire to attempt to educate and inspire others. And I think that is lost on most people. It takes the same balls to get up in front of a auditorium whether you're a man, women, black, white, whatever. It takes balls to do that. Could you do it? (Maybe you could) If we're being honest, I couldn't. I don't like speaking in front of crowds. Never have. I think Brad has balls to do that. Same way I think he has balls to do the news interviews. I think some people are built for that and some aren't. And I don't think an injury has anything to do with it.

For the same reasons, I think Brad is a good person for doing it. Just because he had what happen to him happen to, it doesn't magically make him a good human being. His personality does that, regardless of injury. Brad is a good person for taking the time to do what he does. His time is just as valuable as the guy who helps out at the soup kitchen, or the people in the community who volunteer to clean up the parks. When he takes his time out to go speak to schools that is a good dead. He doesn't have to do that. He does it because he wants to. What does that say about him as a person?

I don't think Brad deserves special treatment because he had the setback he had. But I do think he deserves for what he's done since. And if for no reason other than the level of will and determination. Same as someone being applauded for their hardwork and grit in running a marathon, or climbing a mountain, or competing in a tri-athilon. I would imagine that much of what Brad has had to overcome took a similar amount of effort. For that anyone deserves applause.

See, I don't think Brad gets on the news or gets work simply because of his accident. They already ran his story years ago. If it were that easy the other hundreds of people locally with similar injuries would be on there every other week. There would be dozens of speakers rolling through schools throughout the year. He gets on there because that shit is impressive as f*ck. Him using the treadmill was probably a real long shot (Am I right, Brad). So that gets coverage because it's kind of amazing. And he probably worked his dick off to be able to do it. Probably something I should personally bare in mind when I'm sighing when I have to go chase down a ball that rolled the length of court when I'm doing my morning basketball routine.

Brad does the things he does because of who is. It's a good story, because it's a good story. But most of all, because he did enough to get there and he chooses to share it. Think about it.

And I'm not sure where exactly I'm going with this. I just feel obligated to get this guy's back from the clown that pile on him. For what? Making the argument that a specific drug is different than others? (Oh my God, the horror!!! What a piece of shit!!!!) I didn't even see it, but I would assume he was saying that for people who need it it's not the same as people use it recreationally. Like kids who need Ritalin vs kids who use it to get ****** up. And for that he gets some clown like Beaker throwing his injury in his face? Seriously? Who the **** are you? Some two-bit lawyer who has enough time to post thousands of times, who loves to bring up one's ability to "criticize the best in the world" criticize a guy who probably who literally is "one of the best in the world" at overcoming that particular injury. Why? Because he likes to make himself feel smarter?

If we're being honest, you put me in Brad's shoes I'm 99% sure I fold. I'd probably stay at home all day and watch tv or play video games. I have a hard enough time getting to the gym now. Oh, and fwiw, I did not finish my four year degree either. I went to UC, managed to get my associates and quit after my Junior year. Mainly because I used the excuse of needing money to rationalize not working full time and going to school. So I already know there's no chance of me being able to do what he did. And as I said earlier, I don't do public speaking either. So that's a swing and a miss there too.

None of this is to say Brad is a better person than me, or anyone. But God damn everyone has to respect the effort, right? Everyone has to respect the character, right? Then I would suggest some of you start ***** showing it.

I'm just going to wrap up here. I hope some of this served a purpose. I'm not really sure what I wanted to accomplish other than to call out some bullshit I see. And I know I'm not the only one either. It doesn't go unnoticed. If you're the guy that is so hell bent on winning an argument that you resort to throwing someone's injury in their face than you're a piece of shit. Plain and simple. A huge, flaming pile of shit.

I just wanted to say that outside of all what is written above I dig a lot of what Brad says. I think he truly makes a point of contributing to the board. And yeah, I think all that other stuff is pretty damn inspiring. And for that he gets this post of mine, which isn't worth much, but it's all I got.

I got your back, Brad. Some of us can see there's a few to go out of their way to start shit with you.

That was too damn long to read.

Can anyone give me the cliff notes?

(02-01-2016, 05:08 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That was too damn long to read.

Can anyone give me the cliff notes?

Sure. You're an a-hole for piling on Brad.

(02-01-2016, 05:20 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Sure. You're an a-hole for piling on Brad.

I've never joined in on the piling on that happens with Brad, but I think you're wrong. A message board is a space of pseudo-anonymity. People know I have said I am a former tax accountant now working in finance for a state university, but how much of that does anyone know is true? We've had situations of people creating personas in order to troll these boards. I'm not saying that Brad is faking anything, but what I am saying is that while some of us use our offline lives to bring something to the board it isn't something that really commands respect in any way. Respect comes from good interactions with people.

From my observations, Brad has not had good interactions with many people on these boards. I interact with him very little, and that is somewhat intentional, so I don't know all of the reasons why the opinions towards Brad are what they are. What I do know is that the responses he receives are not to do with his offline life, but from his posts on the boards. In all of the bashing I have seen the focus is on the content of his posts. Now, if your contention is that people are bullying Brad by piling on in such a way, I can understand that. But your OP seems to be trying to make the argument that because of Brad's offline life he deserves more respect than he is getting. If that is your argument, I have to disagree.

What BFritz21 brings online, is brought on himself. It has nothing to do with what happens outside of these boards.
I admire the fact that he made it through a traumatic injury and serves as a public speaker. That said, it has nothing to do with his online interactions with others.

I really have no dog in this fight, I've had good and bad interactions with Brad.

I've cracked jokes at his expense (all in good fun, he laughed).

I don't think the vitriol on this board comes from anything other than him being way too stubborn at times.
He's probably the most stubborn poster around.

If people were ragging on his injuries, then sure...make this thread but it's exclusively (that I have seen) aimed at his posts and attitude towards others.

I said in the other thread I dont think brad is a troll. I think wes mantooth is way more of a troll than brad.

(02-01-2016, 05:20 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Sure. You're an a-hole for piling on Brad.

heres the thing most people dont read the whole thread before responding to a post (ie the post is already been called out) they see the post and hit reply.

Brad gets his shit because he ask for help them refuses to hear someones opinion on something he just asked for their opinion for. And for not letting little things go. Which is the reason people dont let little things go with him but mainly because HE keeps bringing them up at every chance he can and in every place he can. If he would drop it it would die out but he doesnt...

My Preception of brad is that He is right and no one elses opinion matters to him. or so it appears when 100 people tell you your wrong you might me.

I dont dislike brad. He makes good football discussions.

Im sure plenty of people dont like me here and i could care less... I dont troll brad or attack him but i do poke fun at some of the holes in his arguements. and would do the same to others....