http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4763168/

Really? They're reaching back almost thirty years for movies to sequel-ize. It was an okay movie, but come on. Hardly worth repeating. I bring this movie up because it is symptomatic of the sorry state of the industry. If there weren't comic books, the industry would be completely screwed, yet they hold fast against new ideas of any kind.

This is the problem when accountants are in charge of an art form.

Where is Hollywood headed? If you ask me, straight down the tubes.

What do you have? Comic books, Adam Sandler and his buddies, Will Ferrell and his buddies, Pixar and pretty much nothing else. Once in a blue moon something fresh comes down the pike and those tend to be independent productions where someone had a great idea, got rejected by all of Hollywood and spent X number of years scraping together the financing to do it outside of Hollywood.

If you have a good idea, you'd better be able to finance it yourself or it will never get made. If it doesn't look like three other big money makers, nobody wants to touch it.

That is all. Rant concluded.

Some folks in the business have been understanding this more and more the past few years. I mentioned Kevin Smith films in the other thread, but he has been ranting about this for some time. Thinking about his controversy at Sundance with Red State. Leading up to that film, and since, he has talked a lot about the possibility of crowdfunding films and the like.

Kevin Smith obviously isn't a huge name in Hollywood, but he has been groundbreaking on many things. He started out as indie, went Hollywood, and realized what a mess that was and is going back to those roots.

But it wasnt a tumor.

(02-17-2016, 01:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Some folks in the business have been understanding this more and more the past few years. I mentioned Kevin Smith films in the other thread, but he has been ranting about this for some time. Thinking about his controversy at Sundance with Red State. Leading up to that film, and since, he has talked a lot about the possibility of crowdfunding films and the like.

Kevin Smith obviously isn't a huge name in Hollywood, but he has been groundbreaking on many things. He started out as indie, went Hollywood, and realized what a mess that was and is going back to those roots.

And he's figured out that he can make the movies he wants for "his" audience and be very happy...without making billions at the box office.

Not that he would turn down billions...but he understands the system.

(02-17-2016, 01:44 PM)McC Wrote: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4763168/

Really? They're reaching back almost thirty years for movies to sequel-ize. It was an okay movie, but come on. Hardly worth repeating. I bring this movie up because it is symptomatic of the sorry state of the industry. If there weren't comic books, the industry would be completely screwed, yet they hold fast against new ideas of any kind.

This is the problem when accountants are in charge of an art form.

Where is Hollywood headed? If you ask me, straight down the tubes.

What do you have? Comic books, Adam Sandler and his buddies, Will Ferrell and his buddies, Pixar and pretty much nothing else. Once in a blue moon something fresh comes down the pike and those tend to be independent productions where someone had a great idea, got rejected by all of Hollywood and spent X number of years scraping together the financing to do it outside of Hollywood.

If you have a good idea, you'd better be able to finance it yourself or it will never get made. If it doesn't look like three other big money makers, nobody wants to touch it.

That is all. Rant concluded.

worse than that they are making a sequal to the labyrinth now too...

i dont understand how they run out of ideas unless no one in hollywood has ever read one of those things called books... There are millions of them out there all with a story to tell.

But even then once hollywood gets there hands on a book the story gets twisted and changed so much that you barely have anything close to what made the original good.

Hell there are tons of comic books out there too that arent by MARVEL and about superheros FFS... they have spammed that to death already i cant understand the hype anymore for these superhero comic book movies. after they crapped on Xmen and spiderman i gave up and wont give them my money.


But hollywood is about making money so if something was once successful they will find a way to milk and squeeze it dry till the name of the franchise is ran thru the dirt so much it has no more appeal.

I actually think Hollywood is heading in a good direction. There's plenty of good original stuff coming out, like The Revenant being the latest. The thing is though many of the good ones sometimes get drowned out by the cash-grab movies with huge budgets for advertising towards people who like shiny things more than actual sustenance in it.

Comicbook wise I dont mind the Marvel movies that tie into the eventual Infinity War movies. That should be pretty epic having the Avengers, GuardiansGalaxy (one of my all-time favorite comic movies Marvel wise), Spidey, and others taking on Thanos and his minions. At least there is an end game with those movies already in place. That said I didnt care for many of the sequels of Ironman, Thor, & Capt.

The upcoming DC comic movies like Suicide Squad should be pretty sweet too. Oh cant wait to see Deadpoool (Marvel), highest grossing rated R movie opening weekend of all time which shocked everyone in Hollywood apparently. So there is hope there for future like rated R comic movies.

But there will always be reboots or sequels of old successes as there has always been over the decades. There were movies in the 1950s that were reboots of the silent era, and then rebooted again for our generation. King Kong was rebooted in the 1970s from the 1920s version, then rebooted again last decade or so is one example. And I dont mind reboots IF it is actually good, like Batman Begins or Casino Royale. The latest Fantastic 4 was a reboot that was pure crap being the best example of what they shouldnt do.

(02-17-2016, 02:56 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I actually think Hollywood is heading in a good direction. There's plenty of good original stuff coming out, like The Revenant being the latest. The thing is though many of the good ones sometimes get drowned out by the cash-grab movies with huge budgets for advertising towards people who like shiny things more than actual sustenance in it.

Comicbook wise I dont mind the Marvel movies that tie into the eventual Infinity War movies. That should be pretty epic having the Avengers, GuardiansGalaxy (one of my all-time favorite comic movies Marvel wise), Spidey, and others taking on Thanos and his minions. At least there is an end game with those movies already in place. That said I didnt care for many of the sequels of Ironman, Thor, & Capt.

The upcoming DC comic movies like Suicide Squad should be pretty sweet too. Oh cant wait to see Deadpoool (Marvel), highest grossing rated R movie opening weekend of all time which shocked everyone in Hollywood apparently. So there is hope there for future like rated R comic movies.

But there will always be reboots or sequels of old successes as there has always been over the decades. There were movies in the 1950s that were reboots of the silent era, and then rebooted again for our generation. King Kong was rebooted in the 1970s from the 1920s version, then rebooted again last decade or so is one example. And I dont mind reboots IF it is actually good, like Batman Begins or Casino Royale. The latest Fantastic 4 was a reboot that was pure crap being the best example of what they shouldnt do.

Captain America Winter Soldier wasn't just a good comic book movie, it was a great movie that happened to have comic book characters in it. 

(02-17-2016, 01:44 PM)McC Wrote: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4763168/

Really?  They're reaching back almost thirty years for movies to sequel-ize.  It was an okay movie, but come on.  Hardly worth repeating. I bring this movie up because it is symptomatic of the sorry state of the industry.

Well, you started strong then went completely down hill.  One small portion of your remaining post shows how the sorry state of movies at this time distorts what people call good these days.

Quote:What do you have?  Comic books, Adam Sandler and his buddies, Will Ferrell and his buddies, Pixar and pretty much nothing else.

Some number of years ago I came across a list.  It was compiled by critics and meant to be "The top 100 movies of the first 100 years".  As the name indicates, The American Film Institute thought it would be a good idea to make this list 100 years after the birth of the industry.

I made a decision to at least try watching the entire list (at the time I read the list I think I had already seen maybe 30 of the movies of the original list and about 40 of the revised list a few years later).

To keep the cost and effort down I ended up seeing a large portion of the list on Turner Classic Movies.  I still watch that network a lot.

Watching those really old movies a person can't help but to notice how little originality and good story telling today's movie industry has.  You'd possibly be surprised to know how many "truly original" movies the past few years are either direct remakes from that era or seem to be based on the movies of the "golden era of movies".

As the main host on the network said before what would be considered an action movie of the time, "Back then they couldn't afford to blow up buildings so they had to rely on good story telling".

This is why when I go to the movies (apart from the rare occasion when Mrs. Llama accompanies me - she does not like the theater experience but will go once in a while) I increasingly spend my time and money on seeing independent movies. The stories are varied and creative, and not the repetitive superhero/rom-com/slasher/cartoon stuff polluting the multi-plexes.

Really, you can have a base story-line that is not particularly original and still make a good movie.

It's the screen writers who need to step it up.

A movie chalked full of great dialogue and character interaction, trumps strange ideas and abstraction for the most part.

Not to say that I don't enjoy something odd or not the norm.

Those are great too. Yet understandably harder to conceive.

(02-17-2016, 03:49 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote:
Captain America Winter Soldier wasn't just a good comic book movie, it was a great movie that happened to have comic book characters in it. 

I agree.  It was a great movie.  I feel it was much better than the first.

Yeah I didnt mean to say Winter Soldier cause it was good. By far the best sequel of the big 3. Robert Redford played was great in his role, and it was huge in the Shield storyline. I did like how the show AoS played off it in midseason which was cool. But more so it showed off Capts abilities the most, especially the opening scene on the ship.

Hollywood has always been like that though. Hollywood is like any other business they like money and they like it when it comes easy.

(02-17-2016, 10:35 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: I agree.  It was a great movie.  I feel it was much better than the first.

The first did it's job but wasn't a great movie.

I feel like if they had known how massive the MCU would become post-Avengers, the first Thor and Cap movie would have been done entirely different. 

Ok maybe Hollywood isnt going in the right direction. Just saw that San Andreas 2 was greenlighted for production. I mean, what? lmao

(02-18-2016, 10:24 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Ok maybe Hollywood isnt going in the right direction. Just saw that San Andreas 2 was greenlighted for production. I mean, what? lmao

And people will line up for it.

You get the Hollywood you deserve. If people stopped paying to see the loud, stupid dreck and instead went to smart, thoughtful movies then you'd get larger choice of better movies.

(02-18-2016, 10:24 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Ok maybe Hollywood isnt going in the right direction. Just saw that San Andreas 2 was greenlighted for production. I mean, what? lmao

at least they havent popped out Titanic 2... lol

Meanwhile somehow tremors 5 is now on my netflix lol