(03-12-2016, 04:38 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote: Im beginning to hate this strategy of not signing guys who count against potential comp picks. Its such a miserly Mike Brown type of move. I mean rarely do these lower round extra picks pan out.

I posted this in another thread a couple days ago....



Here's a list of EVERY compensatory pick the Benglas have ever made under Lewis.

Elton Patterson
Landon Johnson (3rd Round)
Nedu Ndukwe
Andre Caldwell (3rd Round)
Matt Sherry
Angelo Craig
Mario Urrutia
Chase Coffman (3rd Round)
Bernard Scott
Clinton McDonald
Freddie Brown
Brandon Ghee (3rd Round)
Roderick Muckleroy
Jay Finley
Reid Fragel
TJ Johnson
Marquis Flowers
Lavelle Westbrooks
PJ Dawson (3rd Round)
Marcus Hardison

(03-12-2016, 11:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I posted this in another thread a couple days ago....



Here's a list of EVERY compensatory pick the Benglas have ever made under Lewis.

Elton Patterson
Landon Johnson (3rd Round)
Nedu Ndukwe
Andre Caldwell (3rd Round)
Matt Sherry
Angelo Craig
Mario Urrutia
Chase Coffman (3rd Round)
Bernard Scott
Clinton McDonald
Freddie Brown
Brandon Ghee (3rd Round)
Roderick Muckleroy
Jay Finley
Reid Fragel
TJ Johnson
Marquis Flowers
Lavelle Westbrooks
PJ Dawson (3rd Round)
Marcus Hardison

Alright I will admit that the list is pretty bare.

About 4 guys there. But the recent picks look promising. If I can find a silver lining.

Hardison is going to be a beast this year!

(03-12-2016, 11:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I posted this in another thread a couple days ago....



Here's a list of EVERY compensatory pick the Benglas have ever made under Lewis.

Elton Patterson
Landon Johnson (3rd Round)
Nedu Ndukwe
Andre Caldwell (3rd Round)
Matt Sherry
Angelo Craig
Mario Urrutia
Chase Coffman (3rd Round)
Bernard Scott
Clinton McDonald
Freddie Brown
Brandon Ghee (3rd Round)
Roderick Muckleroy
Jay Finley
Reid Fragel
TJ Johnson
Marquis Flowers
Lavelle Westbrooks
PJ Dawson (3rd Round)
Marcus Hardison

More pointless BS.  

The bengals have drafted well.  And they do not evaluate or use compensatory picks any differently than the other picks.  So having more picks is better.

Just look at the talent the Bengals have found in the fourth round and later.

Geno Atkins
Clint Boling
Marvin Jones
George Iloka
Kevin Huber
Peko
Robert Geathers
Stacy Andrews
Rudi Johnson.
Jeremi Johnson

(03-12-2016, 04:38 PM)yellowxdiscipline Wrote:  I mean rarely do these lower round extra picks pan out.

Yeah, what team would want trash from the fourth round or later like Geno Atkins, Marvin Jones, Clint Boling, or George Iloka?

(03-13-2016, 11:22 AM)fredtoast Wrote: More pointless BS.  

The bengals have drafted well.  And they do not evaluate or use compensatory picks any differently than the other picks.  So having more picks is better.

Just look at the talent the Bengals have found in the fourth round and later.

Geno Atkins
Clint Boling
Marvin Jones
George Iloka
Kevin Huber
Peko
Robert Geathers
Stacy Andrews
Rudi Johnson.
Jeremi Johnson

First off, Rudi Johnson was drafted before Marvin Lewis was here. (It also took him 3 years to reach 100 career rushing yards.)

Secondly, you really started to struggle to fill out that list after a couple, huh? You added a punter and a FB, neither of which are legit additions to any "late round" list. It's the same with kickers. Currently...

Ravens: K (UD), P (6th), FB (4th)
Steelers: K (3rd), P (UD), FB (UD)
Browns: K (UD), P (6th), FB (6th)

They are just positions you simply take late in the draft. It's not something special to find one there, it's the norm.



Futhermore while you were scraping the bottom...
Stacy Andrews? He played 5 years for the Bengals, in his first three years? 3 starts.
Robert Geathers had all of 1 good year, followed by 8 mediocre/poor years eating up a roster spot and snaps that a better player could have taken.

Fact is, even with your adding a punter and a FB to your list you take away Geno Atkins (a freak anomaly) and you have all of ONE Pro Bowl in a combined 64 years in the NFL from 13 drafts on that list... and that one Pro Bowl belongs to Kevin Huber, a punter.

Unless you're banking on getting another Geno Atkins or two, there's zero reason to not pursue proven and ready NFL talent for the sake of hopefully getting a compensation pick a year from now that hopefully turns into NFL talent two to three years after that.

Proven NFL Talent Today > Possible NFL Talent 3-4 years from now

(03-13-2016, 01:44 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Unless you're banking on getting another Geno Atkins or two, there's zero reason to not pursue proven and ready NFL talent for the sake of hopefully getting a compensation pick a year from now that hopefully turns into NFL talent two to three years after that.

Proven NFL Talent Today > Possible NFL Talent 3-4 years from now

Not if you are going to spend the same amount on both.

At the level we are going to be spending there is not going to be any difference between the guys who were not re-signed because they were not that good or the guys who were released because they were not that good (or maybe just overpaid).

What you call "proven NFL talent" fails pretty often.